@riot, internally, what do you consider the advantage of being AP?

deadlychuck·Feb 18, 2017·3 votes·766 views

It seems there is literally no advantage to being designed as an AP champion.

It often results in being limited by mana, having worse scaling, and worse itemization than being AD.

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RequiemsfireFeb 18, 20174 votes

There's more AP, it comes with lots of defensive itemization item 3001 item 3157 item 3027 item 3048 item 3030 item 3151 , there is less MR on a champion's base stats than armour meaning early magic pen item 3020 item 3136 item 3135 can lead a mage to almost dealing true damage with each spell. CDR is prevalent, item 3165 item 3152 item 3100 early sustain item 1082 , being able to stack burst item 3285 item 3146

deadlychuckFeb 18, 20171 votes

So what you're saying is that the only advantage of mages forces you into a very specific play style.

Yeah, i actually see that. Most mages are pretty shit when it comes to anything outside of the singular build which makes them vaible.

Also stop acting like CDR is something which is actually prevalent to mages and AP champions, when AD champions have almost 50% more access to CDR (outside of support items) as AP champions.

RequiemsfireFeb 18, 20171 votes

The point is AP itemization is actually really strong and versatile despite what you want to claim, mages often build based on how it complements their kit and that's generally their build.

Ryze item 3027 item 3040 item 3158 Viktor item 3100 item 3020 item 3157 Shaco item 3146 item 1402

PrinceOfStormsFeb 18, 20171 votes

MR is also really cheap and gold efficient, and there aren't that many MPen options that you can just build, unlike lethality.

WoonStruckFeb 18, 20174 votes

100-0ing anything in range.

While you're ranged.

And have utility.

deadlychuckFeb 18, 20171 votes

This has nothing to do with being AP. This is an aspect of being mage.

WoonStruckFeb 18, 20174 votes

How many AD mages are there?

Okay, now how many AP mages?

Does that answer your question?

deadlychuckFeb 18, 20171 votes

No, not really. As the AD champions who are given kits which function a mages is actually quite high.

It seems that the only advantage to being AP is that you get access to different items. Which are actually less gold efficient as AD items anyway.

So where you get an advantage as AD early game via auto attacks and late game via scaling. Only for the ~10 minutes which comprise the mid game, does AP get an advantage. Similar to armor.

Edge of DaybreakFeb 18, 20172 votes

I'm worried that you are being serious. Get help.

deadlychuckFeb 18, 20172 votes

Other than being purple instead of orange numbers, i actually don't understand how AP is at all better than AD.

The advantage of mixed damage seems to be completely lost by having access to so much armor pen, now that AD is a general stat instead of a magic stat.

deadlychuckFeb 18, 20171 votes

Sorry CDR is now a general stat, instead of a magic stat. *

ZezockaryFeb 18, 20172 votes

Ap items give more AP than AD itwms give AD, meaning tour kit ends up doing more generally.

Ap items are generally better, they give more relevant stats and passives. For example, you will get more out of a ludens echo than a duskblade, but duskblade lets you kill wards.

Morelloss gives 10% more cdr than ghostblade and mana, enough extra ap to make up for not having pen, and grievous wounds passive instead of movespeed, which I would call somewhat comparable with edge to ghostblade.

Just a couple of examples.

SNSD SunnnyFeb 18, 20171 votes

People mix up the champions kit with ap and ad.

AP is horrendous in terms of itemization, ad items right now are just straight up better. The only reason ap champions are even viable is because their kits are straight up better. AP champions can still do damage to low MR targets with little items, which is why you will only see "ap" supports like brand, zyra, and never an ad dealing support other than MF simply because of her ult.

If you want to see which itemization is truely better, see which champion is better when all their ratios are switched to ap, and visa versa. Champions with all their ratios switched to AD would be 10x better.