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@Riot you want to know WHY matchmaking sucks?

Disembark·4/2/2019, 1:56:42 PM·51 votes·16,469 views

Because Diamond LP gains are completely fucked, so almost every Diamond player I know just smurfs instead.

My friend was gaining 26 lp/win before he hit diamond. Hits diamond, gets 15lp/win. Guess what? He used to exclusively play on his main, but now he exclusively plays on smurfs. This is true for a lot of diamond players I know. The LP gains are so atrocious so they will play on their smurfs instead.

Smurfing isn't just bad because of skill difference, its mostly bad in because these diamond smurfs do not give a fuck and will troll/afk cause its not even their main account. Plus they don't even really want to hit diamond again (shit lp gains).

Also, b) runes being free actually makes it a buttload easier to smurf. People can buy smurfs for super cheap cause bot accounts in pretty much 3 bots vs 3 bots matches (aka no reports). Before you'd need to either spend some time or money to be able to "smurf on people" because you'd need a wide range of runes to be effective. Now you get all runes for free, so smurfing is dumb easy.

You could say runes being free is a net positive, so w/e about this one. Just keep it in mind.

c) Now it's just common knowledge that griefing in game doesn't get punished. Because it's so well known, people have no issue just ragequitting/inting games. Even if the system sucked before, I feel like most people didn't know it sucked that bad. Now it's been popularized by streamers ("riot doesn't punish trolls"), so now everyone knows and does it.

That's all. Not saying they can fix all of this, but fix diamond lp gains. please.

56 Comments

FireDrizzle4/2/2019, 2:08:46 PM28 votes

Now you mention it, I have heard a lot of people say "I dont care if you troll/report me I have other accounts" this year.

Ragnaveil4/2/2019, 4:12:40 PM11 votes

They do need to fix this. The original reason why this occurred was that Masters was the only filter for Challenger, therefore gains had to be modified. Now you have Grandmaster filling those shoes. Its about time we get some LP back so every unlucky loss doesn't feel like a hatchet to the knees.

GigglesO4/2/2019, 4:01:55 PM6 votes

+13/-21 Feels good having 60% winrate to climb anywhere.... Jk... feels like ass.

They should actually clamp people in plat and gold and silver too instead of just letting everyone into diamond...

Kaisha4/3/2019, 2:43:45 PM5 votes

Its broken because its lucrative for RIOT. People need to understand this.

Re-rolling 1000x smurf accounts means people are more likely to re-buy skins, RP for champs, boosts, etc... If people play 1 account indefinitely, once they unlock all the champs, all they are going to spend $$ on is the odd skin here or there.

The ONLY way RIOT will listen, is if people stop giving them money. Play the game but just don't ever visit the store. If even a small portion of their playerbase did this, they'd turn 180 and fix near everything. NOTHING motivates upper management more than a loss in revenue.

Daddy Ants4/2/2019, 10:14:02 PM3 votes

Seriously

Fuck this garbage matchmaking

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/173973400694292480/562760203364335645/unknown.png

xDogMeatx4/2/2019, 2:39:35 PM3 votes

Exactly my point here i mentioned earlier. one sec ill put up my link for the @riot responses. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/vqEF0lqe-riot-what-are-your-design-and-gameplay-goals-for-season-9-and-season-10

i seen so many of these its a fantasy to even get a nudge from them.

DeusVult4/2/2019, 8:26:25 PM2 votes

As hard as it is to say, but in the current system, this will never be fixed.

In the very old system of visible mmr, where you werent locked behind LP gain and hard cut off divisions, you could play and continue to scale, because there was no "ceiling" or cutoff point where you would stop gaining elo/lp/etc.

Riot will never be able to fix this with their current system, and the only alternative would be for people to actually have to verify their account through some form of personal information (which Riot would never do) that isnt just a quickly made up email address.

So Riots only option would be harsher punishments for accounts that are known to share a single user, which they wouldnt do because the high end of the spectrum contains most of the content creators that keep the game in the mainstream, aka people that Riot doesnt want to punish.

PreShot4/2/2019, 5:45:15 PM2 votes

My MMR is fucked because I have negative win rate trying other roles during Positional Rank, so I get 17 LP per win and 15 LP per loss. It really does suck SPECIALLY when you are Silver 1 grinding to gold and you get in a game where enemy has 2 gold 4 players and you have a bronze 1 silver 4 and silver 1 and silver 2 player in your game and your like. Wow Riot you think this garbage Silver 4 adc is Silver 1 Huh!? Legit none of my friends play anymore seriously I had like 50 friends and had to remove half because they never sign on. Not to mention now that im down to 28 friends 6 of them are my alt accounts and the rest never gets on. I would remove them but I am starting to think maybe I should keep it up because feels like League is Dying. I think that is why League is letting "Bronze" players into a game with "Silver and Gold" Because que times would be screwed. Might be why they removed a division from the slots to make up for the lack of players but then claim they just wanted to add a new Elo when in reality there is just less players.

Ameliea4/2/2019, 5:45:50 PM2 votes

How should they "fix" this? It is working as intended. This comes from how MMR works towards the higher end of the ladder, where fewer and fewer people play. You can't just get more LP just because you want them. Lp ,or more accurately MMR, is a finite ressource, you can't create more of it, it can only be redistributed. If you where to change that the entire ranked system would become inflated over time, making achieving any rank meaningless

Climbing in Diamond is hard, but you can't change that due to the nature of how any ranking system works

Evidence4/2/2019, 7:34:46 PM2 votes

cuz of many smurf these days,that the only thing keeping this game alive.

ChrisBrownze4/3/2019, 9:50:41 AM2 votes

Matchmaking sucks cuz Riot matches smurfs against normal accounts, and the smurfs stomp games. Its completely unfair

demonicthomas4/3/2019, 12:54:18 PM1 votes

My brothers GF was in master rank last year, this year she got placed in silver 1, and is in gold 2 as we speak.... a MASTER RANK PLAYER A FEW MONTHS AGO IS IN GOLD BECAUSE YOU FUCKED UP MMR RIOT.

GripaAviara4/3/2019, 10:00:43 AM1 votes

I get 16 lp win and I am in silver. I have nearly 50% win rate. So yeah. Noice

Turfnima4/3/2019, 3:35:35 PM1 votes

Smurfs are likely to be placed with smurfs, that is how the match making works. Rito uses an elo based algorithm.

I doubt they can fix Diamond lp gain, there are less than 5% of total players equal or above Diamond, and 3% if you talk about pure Diamond players.

So if the lp gain is buffed even a little, you would only see Diamond players stack up in Diamond 1, with no Diamond players in Diamond 5, etc.

It has something to do with how mathematicians at Riot understands the rank concept and how they designed their algorithm.

So unless someone can come up with a more developed elo algorithm, things will not change, not even a bit.

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