Supports aren't forced to buy wards

Rozair·Dec 5, 2016·6 votes·1,294 views

If your complaining about vision then you take care of it. A support can only place 2 wards at once and that it not going to illuminate the map and automatically tell you where enemy champions are. Realisticly the jungler has the best ward potential our of anyone because they are constantly roaming and can tac on a free sightstone to their jungling item. Buying a sightstone as a support is a waste of gold so warding is a team effort and not the supports job. If your support is building support items and they didn't get a sightstone then they are doing their job and shut up.

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DrCyanideDec 5, 20164 votes

A support can only place 2 wards at once

Any support that's mediocre can have 3 wards out at once. As long as they're not...

Buying a sightstone as a support is a waste of gold

... an idiot.

Sightstone is as much a waste of gold as a Needlessly Large Rod or a BF Sword is. It's core to you doing your job. You don't see mages trying to argue "damage is everyone's responsibility, so I shouldn't have to build damage items," do you?

The support is the person in the best position to get a Sightstone and Sweeper. Stop being naive and buy the best item you can.

PureSilvrrDec 5, 20161 votes

My friend, you do no know how many times I have been yelled at by a mid laner saying "WTF is your build Orianna/Lux/Zilean/other supports" Build damage like your supposed to"

My build one orianna match was Orianna was item 3069 item 3110 item 2045 item 3174 and item 3070 (later to be upgraded into item 3003 ), so I preceeded to build a item 3041 because I only had like 3 deaths and 15 assists, then proceeded to die by sacrificing myself so other ppl could live.

They had a Yasuo Aatrox Ashe Nidalee Draven so I thought item 3110 was a good choice btw

Moooose3Dec 5, 20163 votes

Umm They can place 4... If you ward well you can cover a decent portion of the map/objectives. Sightstone isn't a waste of gold on support. As support, you have less gold and damage which is why it is "your job" to ward. I mean their are varying styles of supporting like brand support probably goes full damage, but in the majority of games, supports aren't trying to do the most damage, hence the sightstone. I do agree warding is a team effort though i mean you technically can solo ward but it doesn't usually work well. Jungle support should probably ward with tanks putting down trinkets and mid and bot going for farsight totem. But yeah there's still a lot wrong in this post lol

Chamuel85Dec 5, 20161 votes

Technically if you place all 4 at the same time, you'll overwrite one since the hard set Vision Ward limit in the game is 3. If you place them all down at once, your sightstone will be empty and you'll have to back to get more because no one else wants to ward and your vision will go dark again. I've had this a lot where it contributes to why as a support I'm down extra in levels. No one else wards, so I have to go through sightstone after sightstone of them.

FaieDec 5, 20165 votes

3 Sight Wards + 1 Vision Ward.

Chamuel85Dec 5, 20161 votes

While this is true, the context isn't absolutely clear. Hence my mention of the Vision Ward limit (which does not include pinks) of 3.

Moooose3Dec 5, 20161 votes

So 4 wards total. Lol

Joman767Dec 5, 20162 votes

3 normal wards plus one pink ward equals 4 wards

Chamuel85Dec 5, 20161 votes

If you notice, I specifically mention VISION ward limit of 3 which by definition excludes pinks (also they are called control wards now) . The context isn't absolutely clear. Hence my mention of the Vision Ward limit (which does not include pinks or control wards) of 3.

Guyy FieriDec 5, 20161 votes

You Control ward is the fourth ward

TheLittlestLuluDec 5, 20163 votes

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A support can only place 2 wards at once

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SlythionDec 5, 20162 votes

Supports can have a max of 4 wards out at once (with sightstone), not just 2. And ya, that can cover pretty much a quadrant of the map.

And ya, junglers ward to. A large amount of them build the jungle item that is specifically designed to help you ward. Macro-warding (aka, choke points and just global vision) usually falls to the Jungler because it's more convenient for him while Supports should be warding for Dragon (because they are already close and it gives vision of river to help with ganks) and just that bottom of the map.

The thing with Top lane is that it's a very secluded place and so you can really only maintain vision of the river. If you're top lane is winning and has decent knowledge of the game, they might be able to sneak away after he pushes the wave and do some counterjungling/get vision of his red side with the 1 other ward he'll have on hand, but that's pretty much the limit of how much he can ward.

Mid lane is pretty much confined to mid lane and the rivers, they don't have a reason to go through the jungle. A good mid laner knows to ward the death bushes which already gives vision of the river so that's all you can expect from them.

Adc is confined to power farm for the late game. To go out and ward river/drag/nearby chokepoints when they have a support that doesn't have a need for cs that can do it, there is no reason for them to do much other than ward river bush or the tri when it's convenient. They can also ward the bot bushes for bush control but that's prety much it. It's much more efficient for the team for the support to ward the bot side of the map instead of the adc.

Buying a sightstone as a support is a waste of gold

that's just not true at all considering it's gold efficient in terms of vision and, although it provides no battle stats (besides health), it has an upgrade to compliment your item actives that you find on supports and is cheap to compliment your lack of a gold income.

Chamuel85Dec 5, 20161 votes

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Supports can have a max of 4 wards out at once (with sightstone), not just 2. And ya, that can cover pretty much a quadrant of the map.

But you can only have 3 wards down.... according to the game. Just because Sightstone has 4 charges doesn't mean you can lay all 4 down.

RalanrDec 5, 20161 votes

Control wards though.

Chamuel85Dec 5, 20161 votes

yep, and if the person I responded to had mentioned 4 wards (with control ward) instead of (with sightstone) I probably wouldn't have said anything. I was making sure other people reading it didn't think Sightstone gives you an additional ward limit.

RalanrDec 5, 20161 votes

So you like to make sure that all information is present?

BROTHER IS THAT YOU?!

SlythionDec 5, 20161 votes

you haven't been playing the game very long...have you

3 from sightstone + a control ward = 4 total wards at once

Chamuel85Dec 5, 20161 votes

English isn't your first language is it? Maybe mention control ward instead of saying you can have 4 down 'With sightstone' and people won't need to correct you on vision wards (which is what sightstone is) since you ignored control ward in any regard (something other people reading this may not immediately read). Ambiguity is the father of misinformation. As for play length, I"ve seen plenty of non supports never touch a control ward indicating that none of them know what it is anyway.

SlythionDec 5, 20161 votes

dude, we're talking about vision and wards, not just vision wards. The broad topic is vision control which control wards are about. You obviously forgot about them despite them being a very huge and basic part of the game, and if you're going to lash out at me for being wrong instead of admitting that you have have 4 wards out to maintain vision at a time then this conversation is at an end.

Control Wards are a given thing for pretty much any player that isn't new to the game, which is why I assumed you haven't been playing very long

Don't enter disagreements if you can't be mature and handle being wrong

Moooose3Dec 5, 20161 votes

I think the OP is just stupid or something idk.

SlythionDec 5, 20161 votes

the strange part is that this dude isn't even the OP

Moooose3Dec 5, 20161 votes

Wait what? XD Didn't even notice. wtf

koreansmurf8751Dec 5, 20161 votes

question, cant you have 5? control ward + 3 sightstone + trinket? or is trinket part of sightstone wards? (don't play support much plz no roasterino)

Chamuel85Dec 5, 20161 votes

Then perhaps mention control ward? Your sentence makes the reader (unless they know better already) think that Sightsone allows 4 wards (since if you are doing X with Y, then Y allows you to do X. so failing to mention control ward in any sense indicates that you don't know about them). You have no evidence that you remembered them either.

As for 'lashing out at you', I was just mimicking your language style (if you fail to see it, reference english? first language? again). So if you want to talk about immaturity, you can look at yourself first. As for disagreement, we're not disagreeing on anything. You were just wrong on vision ward count, and since you mentioned nothing about 'Vision ward' count of 3, nor mentioned Control wards and how they play into 4 total wards, there is too much ambiguity in your sentence so being a bit demeaning with '3+1=4' seems unnecessary for someone 'being mature' who especially gets stung when someone's a bit demeaning back?

SlythionDec 5, 20161 votes

It is to my understanding that when one is trying to argue about a topic then they should have common knowledge of the topic. I did not realize that I needed to list every single obvious factor relating to the subject, because once again, I thought I was having a discussion with someone that knew better.

I shouldn't have to mention the existence of control wards when we are talking about how many wards we can have out at a time, because they are a type of ward. You can try to twist it saying that my words were misleading but bottom line is, you should've known better.

This is unless you are a new player of course, in which case I would spend more time learning about the game instead of trying to argue topics that you don't full grasp of understanding yet. And no, that's not meant to insult you, it's an honest opinion.

HyperiönDec 5, 20161 votes

3 from sighstone, and 1 vision ward. You can have down 4 wards at a time.

It is not solely the supports job, but it is at the same time. A lot of junglers will get trackers, so there are 2 wards, and then a vision ward. Whereas top and mid, can have a control ward, and blue trinkets. and they have an insane CD on them.

70% of the solo laners will get blue trinket, because yellow is so limited.

If Rito introduced green wards again, it wouldn't fall mostly unto the supports lap, but they are the ones getting a sight item 99% of the time. And the junglers will get trackers, andd the occasional sighstone in certain situations.

Chamuel85Dec 5, 20161 votes

yes, I was ignoring Control Wards like the person I was responding to was as well. If he had mentioned 4 wards (with control ward), I probably wouldn't have said anything. I was correcting ambiguity since judging on how few people buy control wards outside of support no one knows about them. At least in my Silver elo.

HyperiönDec 5, 20161 votes

Well, it still doesn't change in gold either xD

Iwinatlife42Dec 5, 20162 votes

I am a Support and item 2045 is a key part of having obscene uptime on item 3190 and item 3401 so I can keep saving my adc

TyrekGoldenspearDec 5, 20164 votes

Plus it gives a nice chunk of health.

RalanrDec 5, 20161 votes

A very nice chunk of health.

Z StatisticDec 5, 20162 votes

But that's bad if you're Raka D: item 3070 Soraka

RozairDec 5, 20161 votes

Lol as if those are better than item 3504 and item 3174 . They aren't even close. Ap shields become stronger with ap plus shield modifier and the fact that they have a retardedly lower cooldown than aegis lmao. Not to mention of you are a tank than the best item for that would be the pure mitigation of item 3109

Iwinatlife42Dec 5, 20162 votes

Taric has terrrrrible ap ratios and i do build item 3109 along with item 3050 item 3401 item 3190 item 3047 and of course item 2045 which means as taric I on a regular basis can give my adc somewhere near 1000 extra health to tank the burst as the glow from my ult descends to win the teamfight