It will take many long years to fix the Co-Op battles

KC King Caomanac·Jul 31, 2017·1 votes·305 views

because we aren't even willing to take the first step. These are far from what they were designed to do, and far from where they started. However, I have brought up a couple of easy to fix issues and got knocked out of the forum. The notion that we have players who abuse these games just to show how good they are at beating bots.....which has nothing to do with practicing (and nothing to do with my previous topics).

So, I will now just make general statements. The concept of using Co-Op for training purposes is gone. Fully destroyed. When new players come here to train, instead they will find other titles due to the degradation of the Co-Op fights. There is no realistic way to 'practice' there anymore.

It is failures such as this which, in the long run, see games go under. Lack of new players is the result due to poor practice arenas. I will say this that, if I were just now learning the game, I would go elsewhere. Since I can handle the ugly playing Co-Op, all I can do is alert the Community that these training arenas are at risk of losing new players.

Since I have posted a couple of issues, I am prohibited to post them within this topic, thus you now have to just guess at the many things which are in trouble there. try playing there with the mindset of being brand new to the game. If you can do that, you will see the problems as they are clear in nearly every battle.

I just hope that Riot will realize long before the drain occurs that their practice arenas have serious issues.

P.S. Since I am prohibited from posting anything of substance, I see no reason for me to follow this vague thread. However, the Co-Op fights are a problem, make no mistake, and it affects how many new players come into the game.

4 Comments

Mecha MaIphiteJul 31, 20172 votes

General practice can be done in norms, specific things like CS or champion mechanics can be done in the practice tool or against a friend in a custom. Co-op is really just there to make the newest of players aware of the most basic things (turrets and structures, minions, champions, etc). It's not a great system, but unless you have an actual suggestion, that's what's available.

KC King CaomanacAug 2, 20171 votes

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General practice can be done in norms, specific things like CS or champion mechanics can be done in the practice tool or against a friend in a custom. Co-op is really just there to make the newest of players aware of the most basic things (turrets and structures, minions, champions, etc). It's not a great system, but unless you have an actual suggestion, that's what's available.

You make some good points (though I have never seen nor used a 'practice tool' by name). A lot of good practice can be done in custom games, simply because you have control over the total setup. It is the Co-Op games, where your point is totally correct, in my opinion. The basic things, such as dancing in a lane killing creeps while avoiding the opponents. Taking down the towers, driving the lanes. But, that requires NOT having high level players in there simply destroying the enemy long before you even face a threat. That is one of the biggest issues I have seen there.

I just finished a game where I was trying to practice a champion. I have no problem sharing minion gold, but when I hack away at one til it gets close to dead, then my lane partner takes the kill EVERY TIME, thus starving me for gold, that leaves me behind, thus it reaches a point where to play is to feed, being left out for gold, having to go back repeatedly to get single items, since gold accrual is so slow. That ruins any attempt at practicing. If I want to practice this champion, I either use custom, which doesn't perform like Co-Op, or keep playing Co-Op til a team is formed which will share the practice field, not hog it.

I congratulate Riot Games for the design of these Co-Op games, and the bots which I am sure took some work. However, the intent is in trouble which makes this a difficult path for your new players.

Now, I myself have seen three issues -

Overqualified players there just to kill as many of the bots as possible.
Junglers where there are no opposing junglers, thus making top lane unrealistic.
The cheater bots used by lazy players just to gain summoner levels.

The first two can be fixed by cloning the Co-Op program, creating a new one for the overqualified killers out there, and change the existing Co-Op to be restricted to summoner levels 29 and below, thus for practice. The cloned area would be available for first win of the day, and for those who simply want to see how many bots they can kill.

However, no solution can be applied unless we have a significant amount of us understanding that the Co-OP fights have their issues, and can be fixed.

By the way, note that I myself have enough experience to get past these issues. This is about new players, not myself. Meaning, I know enough to work around with the custom games, or live with the problem of the Co-Op games, but the new players aren't so flexible, and we veterans need to keep that in mind while invading the training areas. However, I do not want to try to tell people how to and how not to play their champion. IT would be better if we could get some attention from Riot to create a solution.

Else, new players are more likely to quit than stay. That is my point. There is nothing but seeing a problem and trying to solve it.

ModWulf HelhammerJul 31, 20171 votes

What?

And what do you mean prohibited from posting anything of substance?

MethotrexateJul 31, 20171 votes

I do co-op prior to ranked or any kinds of game to get ready (dodging skills and stuff) Also, it boosts my confidence as I can kill as many as bots I want before actual games. It is my jinx now that if I don't play bots I lose.