Maybe assassin items should be exclusive to assassin champions

Rustling Bush·Jul 17, 2017·27 votes·1,504 views

No matter what iteration they come in, be it lethality or armor pen, it seems like there will always be a set group of champions that can abuse it. How would you feel if they just made it so champions classified as assassin (primary or secondary) could only buy those item?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-DIzOE3HYw

let me be clear here, what i mean by exclusive items, i mean lock 1-2 items like ( ) to assassins only/ can be exclusive to bruiser/tanks, stuff like that. then you can buff or revert the items without making it overly cancerous or nerf it without making it unusable on another champion.

35 Comments

CatastropJul 17, 201732 votes

No, this is never a good idea, why it gets lauded as one is beyond me. Range lock them if needed, but just straight up locking items behind certain classes is just terrible game design. Unless the game was made with class locks as an already inherent feature, all this does is make the game bland and hostage to Riot's already weird ass way of classifying champions.

Subway1999Jul 17, 20171 votes

no that would be fine the ranges need dmg but sustain dmg not like mf ult with armor pen/lethality where u can one shot a full tank malf with one ability that makes the game terrible

Some Noob DudeJul 17, 20174 votes

Just disable them on ranged champions, problem solved.

LankPantsJul 17, 20173 votes

That's a terrible idea, it's clunky as hell and very subject to Riot's classification system. What if they just retag Rengar as a bruiser, which is something that could happen?

Better to just make them melee only, that stops ADCs anyway and outside of them I don't think there's huge issues with other classes using them.

As for Duskblade that item just needs a nerf in general. It's disgusting on any champ who can use it assassins included. Once it's more reasonable and hopefully melee only it probably won't be as abused.

Chembaron YamadaJul 17, 20171 votes

Slapping a "melee only" tag on everything would be a lazy and bad solution.

Look at reworked Urgot. That guy was pretty much designed around using Black Cleaver. He probably has the best synergy with that item since Darius! If Riot had listened to the players demanding making it melee only, that wouldn't be a thing probably. And I would honestly hate that.

Such decisions harm champion development.

JoxcabJul 17, 20172 votes

"Nah balance them around the champions not even supposed to be using them." Riot

CowseedJul 17, 20172 votes

Remember this cat dude Rengar ? He was once an assassin till he took a riot 'rework' to the knee.

Now he is some diver thing that limps through solo Q looking for someone who can actually pick him up and make him even somewhat viable.

Then we have Leblanc who was once a mighty assassin herself till she also got hit with the 'rework'-bat and they made her too powerful. Then she got nerfed.... and nerfed.... and nerfed again till Riot realize they !#$!ed up and just said "screw it! She's a 'kite mage' now now".

This isn't going to work too well considering the mess that's the class system. And assassins can leave the class just like that. Then we have this new guy that might go assissin during the game or he might not.

LankPantsJul 17, 20171 votes

Rengar top rushing Duskblade has a winrate of 56%. Renger jungle who rushes Duskblade rather than a jungle item has a winrate of 54%. Rengar's not struggling right now, you just take the Talisman as a start then rush Duskblade, people just haven't caught onto that yet.

Unfortunately the cancer that is oneshot Rengar is back. Just give people a couple more weeks and you'll start seeing him everywhere since he has some of the best synergy with Duskblade in the game.

CowseedJul 17, 20171 votes

Wasn't he always building dusk blade? I mean, why wouldn't you build it on an ad champ that has invisibility and bursts.

LankPantsJul 17, 20173 votes

There's a difference between building and rushing.

The old build was item 1039 > item 1412 > item 3147 The new build is > >

You may even consider Ghostblade before Warrior, I'm not 100% on that one.

Sun Wu RyuumokuJul 17, 20171 votes

u were rushing Youmuu.

PROJECT KatarìnaJul 17, 20172 votes

I can tell you already this is a really bad idea

HellioningJul 17, 20172 votes

Then why bother having items?

SkorchJul 17, 20171 votes

Heroes of the Storm is calling...

Succubús GFJul 17, 20171 votes

FTFY

Smite is calling...

JunkοJul 17, 20171 votes

Smite has items.

MunchCrunchLunchJul 17, 20172 votes

am banning either mf or jhin at this point jhin walks to lane with dusblade. 3 autos our ad. mf ulti does enough damage to kill 3 squishies if they alternate.

HaIlMonitorJul 17, 20171 votes

I would LOVE this. A lot of people don't like the idea they cant play AD LB top though if they made items class specific. I think it would make balance much easier for riot if Lucian couldnt have build from the get go for example.

Evil YasuoJul 17, 20171 votes

Did you just read my thread or something? Because I change my mind. I would rather have percentage armor items to take down tanks with than items to blow up unarmored targets. Currently, there is NO counter to tanks other than trying to kite them with a fed af adc.

HaIlMonitorJul 17, 20171 votes

Wouldn't that make tanks worthless though?

Evil YasuoJul 17, 20171 votes

No it would give them some sort of counterplay. Sorry but i'm never going to think it's fair that a 2 lvl's behind malphite can win a 1v1 against a jayce with more items than he has.

AwesomeGuyDjJul 17, 20171 votes

What? I would really love to see that.

Rustling BushJul 17, 20171 votes

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Did you just read my thread or something? Because I change my mind. I would rather have percentage armor items to take down tanks with than items to blow up unarmored targets. Currently, there is NO counter to tanks other than trying to kite them with a fed af adc.

no though in general, they should just make items more class specific. Thinking back on like a good majority or the nerfs, it was because someone was abusing something that they weren't suppose to. I think riot is just being stubborn, they would have a much easier time balancing if they made it so champions couldn't buy certain items.

let me be clear here, what i mean by exclusive items, i mean lock 1-2 items like ( item 3147 item 3142 ) to assassins only, item 3071 can be exclusive to bruiser/tanks, stuff like that. then you can buff or revert the items without making it overly cancerous.

Evil YasuoJul 17, 20171 votes

While I know that would be a good thing, i'm just against limiting people on building items. I feel like in order to do that then, certain classes would be locked out of building armor and then at that point, tanks shouldn't be allowed to build damage. Unless of course it's just for lethality items.

powershot12Jul 17, 20171 votes

Adcs can actually kill people now. Does noone member 6 months ago when supports were doing more damage. I might be biased because I am an MF main but something needed to happen to League of Tanks. It was not fun at all. Although to be fair Jhin is stupidly busted right now.

zaire90Jul 17, 20171 votes

That was for like a month during december when people discovered bot ziggs. And they could still kill people the problem was that they were getting 5 man dived by everyone. Thats why the safe adcs were meta because they could fight from a safe distance

TeemoXNidaleeJul 17, 20171 votes

Make them melee only instead.

xReverieJul 17, 20171 votes

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Make them melee only instead.

This makes sense. Drakthar proc requires 1 second unseen too, making zed, Rengar, kha'zix, and talon ults work well with it.

SteelMankindJul 17, 20171 votes

Kinda defeats the purpose of items if they are locked out to specific groups of champions

Sun Wu RyuumokuJul 17, 20171 votes

Worst idea... my MonkeyKing is closer than assassins than other class. U don't build Wu like an usual bruiser.

Inquisitor KaneJul 17, 20171 votes

#we need more "melee only" and "ranged only" items

I've been saying that for years now. Having the same items usable by marksmen and assassins both make it so that when you buff it for marksmen you overbuff asassins. And then when you nerf assassins, you render marksmen useless.

But that would require ballance team to play the actual game at lerast once in a week and Meddler to take his head out of his arse and leave Riot finally.

VallalanJul 17, 20171 votes

the only real issue is duskblade right now. the other items are actually kind of balanced.

duskblade's damage is insane, that it is stand alone as well is problematic. before with duskblade you had to build OTHER lethality items to up the damage, now it just scales with level. that it has no cooldown with so much damage is a big problem.

it needs big nerfs for sure, once its nerfed lethality will honestly be fine. all these clips you see of Jayce, Hecarim, blowing people up. thats duskblade. 200-250 damage in the mid game. that has no cooldown so long as you can duck out of vision. hell if you snowball enough to get this early you just duck in a bush and keep reapplying it for oppressive laning. and the passive that shows wards that spot you also mean they can't even ward the bush you are in to cheese them with. you just keep doing it over and over.

the item is just busted. im surprised it hasn't been hotfixed. its a joke really.

KovorixJul 17, 20171 votes

There has to be a new stat that is build into the items and scales with the skills of assassins. So there would come some balance between items and champions.