Does anyone Build Guisoo's ?

Nekusen··6 votes·1,232 views

I think this item should be reworked, i don't even build it when playing hybrid champions.

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Rebonack5 votes

Step 1, remove its stupid passive. Step 2, give it between 25 and 30% hybrid penetration that shares a named passive with Whisper and Void to prevent them from stacking.

There you go.

Now it's useful.

'But hybrid damage is hard to itemize against!'

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Would it make some champions that deal hybrid damage a bit over the top?

Yeah, probably. But better to open up itemization options and bop outliers than to just leave niches unfilled.

Nekusen1 votes

{quoted}

Step 1, remove its stupid passive. Step 2, give it between 25 and 30% hybrid penetration that shares a named passive with Whisper and Void to prevent them from stacking.

There you go.

Now it's useful.

'But hybrid damage is hard to itemize against!'

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Would it make some champions that deal hybrid damage a bit over the top?

Yeah, probably. But better to open up itemization options and bop outliers than to just leave niches unfilled.

as you said, also worth noting that when you build hybrid damage you are dealing less damage of each kind, and there is always one kind of damage that is higher then the other so building against it isn't much more problematic

AkabaneKun3 votes

{quoted}

Step 1, remove its stupid passive. Step 2, give it between 25 and 30% hybrid penetration that shares a named passive with Whisper and Void to prevent them from stacking.

There you go.

Now it's useful.

'But hybrid damage is hard to itemize against!'

item 1028

Would it make some champions that deal hybrid damage a bit over the top?

Yeah, probably. But better to open up itemization options and bop outliers than to just leave niches unfilled.

Akali Akali Akali Akali Akali all day long baby.

Rebonack1 votes

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Akali Akali Akali Akali Akali all day long baby.

Akali's physical damage is really, really low. The only source is from her auto attacks (lulz) and crescent slash, which scales poorly. She really isn't in any great need of physical penetration.

ChaoticPinecone1 votes

but if you give it 25%-30% hybrid pen, its probably worth it.

Is it worth losing 10% magic pen for more AD for more spellvamp, plus penetration on her autos (necessary to proc Q) and her E? I think it is. If AD was such a bad scaling stat on her, people would probably forgo Gunblade for a Wota.

Rebonack1 votes

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but if you give it 25%-30% hybrid pen, its probably worth it.

Is it worth losing 10% magic pen for more AD for more spellvamp, plus penetration on her autos (necessary to proc Q) and her E? I think it is. If AD was such a bad scaling stat on her, people would probably forgo Gunblade for a Wota.

I'm no Akali player, but I'm pretty sure people grab Gunblade over WotA for the extra burst/slow. That, and the attack damage is a double dip. It makes her bonus magic damage OnHit hurt more AND blargs up more spellvamp for her.

I'm not saying it would be a bad pick over Voidstaff.

I'm just saying that it wouldn't be orgasmically amazing like, say, the old Gunblade back in the days where it stacked.

pikkkkolo1 votes

bard

Morgy Morgy1 votes

Jax believe it or not, i like buying this item on jax.

ElegantDoge1 votes

I sometimes do it on Jax with trinity force and gunblade.Needless to say it means i have 2 tanks on my team and i'm not too focused or the most obvious reason:I'm fed. Jax become such a stupid champ with it and trinity+gunblade(+CD reduc runes,randuin and spirit visage).But honestly ..in any serious game with decent level,the item is not worth it at all.

Omniphonic1 votes

it's a sustain item that offers none unless it's active is working, and the passive doesn't last long enough between hits to even walk between jungle camps. if it had 2 or 3% life leech from damage OR 6 seconds between actions before the passive deactivates it wouldn't feel like such a horrible item to buy.

Chaotic Reks1 votes

the eggplant Jax

Nekusen1 votes

i think a low version of the bonuses should be always present, and then incremented when you fall in low health. also the path should be improved:

something like item 3113 + item 1037

30 attack damage 40 ability power +5% movement speed. +5% spellvamp +5% lifesteal +5% attack speed UNIQUE Passive: Falling below 50% health grants you extra 10 attack damage, 20 ability power, 10% Attack Speed, 5% Life Steal and 5% Spell Vamp until you exit combat (30 second cooldown)


Alternatively, the gold cost could be changed and :

35 attack damage 50 ability power +5% movement speed +5% spellvamp +5% lifesteal +5% attack speed UNIQUE Passive: Falling below 50% health grants you extra 15% cooldown reduction, 10% Attack Speed, 5% Life Steal and 5% Spell Vamp until you exit combat (30 second cooldown)

hybrid penetration could be added

Erockandroll1 votes

Couple of problems I noticed.

a) in general. Hybrid builds are just bad. one stat affects one area of damage, and the other affects another. But that doesn't really combined well. except on an AP/AS fighter, but even that's a stretch.

b) Even for a hybrid item. It's build path is horrible. nothing feels good about having a blasting wand and a pick ax in your inventory. Two items that don't really help each other.

c) It's low cost make it rather slot inefficient. Gun blade has superior stats that won't make feel like a waist of an item slot. And since it's useless as a support item, you really can't justify it being slot inefficient.

Personally, I would like to see it more tailored to the AP/AS fighters. But most of them already have nashor's tooth.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

I build it on Jax and Akali for the lulz sometimes

aaronconlin1 votes

Like other people said I build it occasionally on Jax or Kayle. Also, building it on Tryndamere is funny for split pushing. You get the passive up fast attacking minions or towers, and bonus AP to heal with your Q. If the enemy comes to stop you, gaining that extra bonus along with your ult pretty much guarantees you kill whatever it is you were after and can probably still make it out alive

Nekusen1 votes

i feel the item could get some hybrid penetration as well, the problem is stacking penetration with existing items, but i guess you are not going to be building a lot of specific (armor/magic) penetration on your hybrids anyways

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