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If you were unranked last season you shouldnt automatically be put in silver (not a hate post)

koshkyra··26 votes·12,320 views

DISCLAIMER: i am not saying this to "attack" unranked people, or suggest they are bad at the game. I am saying this for the following reasons you will read.

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STOP. PLACING. EVERYONE. WHO. IS. NEW. TO. RANKED. IN. SILVER.

Everyone says that America is a "melting pot", but no, its actually Silver elo.

You got 0/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 1/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 2/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 3/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 4/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 5/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 6/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 7/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 8/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 9/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 10/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3!

Behold, the melting pot of randomly assorted skills!

REGARDLESS OF THEIR SKILL LEVEL, THEY WILL BE PLACED IN SILVER.

And thats why silver elo is such hell. Nobody is truly "at" silver level.

Someone who is knew to ranked has the skill of a high gold/low platinum? Silver! Someone who is knew to ranked has the skill of a mid-bronze? Silver!

**(START HERE FOR TL;DR)**Which results in silver elo being a complete coin-flip, luck based system where you pray that you get the high gold/low platinum people on your team, and the enemies get the mid-bronzies?

How do you fix this?

You place the player where their skill level appears to be at or close to, by analyzing their statistics and placements.

Example: "Hmm, X had a 75% winrate against silvers, 50% against golds, and 25% winrate against platinums last season. From their placements, they had almost the same results. Let's place them in Gold 3!"

Example: "Hmm, Y had a 40% winrate against silvers, and 30% against anyone higher than silver last season. In their placements, they had a 60% winrate against bronze players. Let's place them in Bronze 2!"

Not: "Hmm, Z is new to ranked, so lets ignore their statistics and put them in Silver 3!"

Thanks for reading.

#TL;DR: Look for "Start here for TL;DR" in previous paragraphs. Thanks

17 Comments

Almost Creative4 votes

That's apparently the default MMR for new ranked players. I was a victim of this last season in my first ranked games. I had scores like 2-10, 0-7, 1-9 and didn't even finish the placement matches because clearly I wasn't ready. When I checked my opponents profile, some of them were gold the previous season while most were silver. Some new ranked players can hold their own in Silver, some can't. The ones who can't, usually get demoted to Bronze. But overall, I agree with you. Unranked players should start in Bronze 2-3 and go up to Silver..even Gold if they win a certain amount of games. There's too many people jumping into ranked after they hit 30 with no custom runes going 0-11 against Silver/Gold players. But it's not their fault though.

remakoro4 votes

https://media.tenor.com/images/8d730a03018fb870b5e3555fd58e7f05/tenor.gif

People that went 0/10 go to silver 5 or bronze. People that went 8/10 or better end up in gold :D

Didnt Riot say that they intend to add new divisions?:D That most likely will fix you problem so stop crying already.

Raknyshonchau2 votes

I think your understanding of the Bronze - Silver tiers is misconstrued.

Anyone in bronze with over 200 games played across all seasons is a below average player. Silver is EXACTLY where new players who go 5-5 in placements or better should be placed.

Players who go 0/10 do not get Silver 3 that is simply untrue. Anything 4/6 or lower will get you bronze 1 or lower.

LightIsMyPath1 votes

Nope. I went 4wins 6losses on my first season: Silver 3. Dropped my way to silver 5 0lp and stopped playing to don't get bronze. Started practicing in draft mode, informing myself on matchups, synergies, team comps, general strategies ecc. I was overall a really better player when I jumped into placements the following season.. And in fact I won 7 and lost 3: Bronze 5. Really, this doesn't make any sense.

youpindao1 votes

I got 6/10 and I got placed to bronze 4. Now I am silver4.

FilDaFunk1 votes

With so much traffic through silver, it makes sense it would be difficult to separate. ELO hell, indeed.

z63XnLCMwX1 votes

This is uncannily true. Veterans silvers should not be placed with new silvers/unranked (50 games or less). At least us veterans deserve where we belong. Unranked/New silvers are like a coin flip.

I had silver team mates with a total of 2 fucking wards placed the entire game and others with 30+ who aren't even supports. Why is this level of skill disparity allowed to exist.

ReySolomon1 votes

You know whats weird?

I started playing last season (My first season ever) I got placed in Bronze? I'm not sure what happened but I got placed in bronze as a new player.

13900 Essence1 votes

I wouldn't say just if you were unranked last season, because many people wait a while to play ranked to develop game knowledge.

I'd say if your account is new, or if you have under a certain amount of normal games, you should start at a lower mmr.

Ninja Assassin1 votes

This isn't how the system works. You can be placed anywhere from bronze to gold, depending on how your placements go during your first ranked season. This account I'm posting from right now is my source.

Arcane Blue Boi1 votes

i just played tank veigar with rabadons and pen item to get out of low silver, noobs had no idea how to deal with it

[sg-miss-fortune]

Heraimish1 votes

When I played ranked for the first time I also had no idea what I was doing. I ended in silver III (LOL) and after a month I was bronze V. It sucks to lose so many games and drop so far, when you know you got placed way too high.

The Spicy Crit1 votes

Just check their kda, their kill participation, farm, objectives for fuck sake. 25-35 minions @ 10 mins? That's bronze, be it 2 kills or 200 kills, if someone cannot manage to get atleast 60-70 minions @10 mins that aint even silver, but i didnt want to be rough and set 55-60 minions @ 10 min mark as a silver requirement.

Miku Append1 votes

We need a Challenged tier for these people... [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Crixncheese1 votes

That's actually wierd. I went from Unranked (new account) to Gold IV after 8 wins and 2 losses. I dunno.

LeftyRaydy1 votes

{quoted}

DISCLAIMER: i am not saying this to "attack" unranked people, or suggest they are bad at the game. I am saying this for the following reasons you will read.

 ________

STOP. PLACING. EVERYONE. WHO. IS. NEW. TO. RANKED. IN. SILVER.

Everyone says that America is a "melting pot", but no, its actually Silver elo.

You got 0/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 1/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 2/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 3/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 4/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 5/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 6/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 7/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 8/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 9/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3! You got 10/10 in your placements? You get Silver 3!

Behold, the melting pot of randomly assorted skills!

REGARDLESS OF THEIR SKILL LEVEL, THEY WILL BE PLACED IN SILVER.

And thats why silver elo is such hell. Nobody is truly "at" silver level.

Someone who is knew to ranked has the skill of a high gold/low platinum? Silver! Someone who is knew to ranked has the skill of a mid-bronze? Silver!

**(START HERE FOR TL;DR)**Which results in silver elo being a complete coin-flip, luck based system where you pray that you get the high gold/low platinum people on your team, and the enemies get the mid-bronzies?

How do you fix this?

You place the player where their skill level appears to be at or close to, by analyzing their statistics and placements.

Example: "Hmm, X had a 75% winrate against silvers, 50% against golds, and 25% winrate against platinums last season. From their placements, they had almost the same results. Let's place them in Gold 3!"

Example: "Hmm, Y had a 40% winrate against silvers, and 30% against anyone higher than silver last season. In their placements, they had a 60% winrate against bronze players. Let's place them in Bronze 2!"

Not: "Hmm, Z is new to ranked, so lets ignore their statistics and put them in Silver 3!"

Thanks for reading.

#TL;DR: Look for "Start here for TL;DR" in previous paragraphs. Thanks

So I was unranked last season, but won like 8/10 of my placements and I placed Gold 5. I was plat season 6 sooooooo I am 100% sure this is incorrect

YT xDimitriZpvp1 votes

4/6 in placements silver 3 and now im plat 4 after 1 month

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