Athena's Unholy Grail on supports

Lost R·Dec 21, 2016·2 votes·950 views

A year ago, people bitched at me all the time for building it on supports.

Today, people bitch at me all the time for not building it on supports fast enough.

Seriously, fuck all of you.

15 Comments

RogueWillDec 21, 20162 votes

item 3174 is pretty trash currently. You get similar benefits with item 3107 since unholy doesn't have the % amplification that redemption has and it proc on every heal and shield instead of just one and then you gotta recharge it.

Final Spark LuxDec 21, 20161 votes

It depends who you're playing. Sure, if you're playing someone like janna who really doesn't go in to poke, athene's is pretty awful, but for someone like, oh Idk, Lux, athenes isn't "trash" as you claim at all. It's just like any other item, it just needs to have good synergy with whatever champ you're playing. It's like saying deathcap is trash. It's 100% trash on someone without AP ratios, but it's one of the best for anybody with AP ratios

RogueWillDec 21, 20161 votes

usually you get either of those items on supports. Lux isn't really a support and is considered off meta when played as such. The only expection woudl be Karma but she usually ends up building both of them anyway

Final Spark LuxDec 21, 20161 votes

I'd like to point out that Shurelia actaully designed Lux with support as a focus, and she was played as such long before people started taking her mid

RogueWillDec 21, 20161 votes

And Diana was designed as a Jungler yet you see her more often MId, Nautalius was designed as a Jungler and Blitz as a Top laner figther, ekko was a skirmish assasin, and kayle as a support. Just because you design something with a role in mind doesn't mean that it end up on that role and can be considered off meta when they are returned to their designed position.

If you see a Blitz top you woudl consider him offmeta even though he was designed as a top laner, similar effect on lux as support.

bad arcade kittyDec 21, 20161 votes

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And Diana was designed as a Jungler yet you see her more often MId, Nautalius was designed as a Jungler and Blitz as a Top laner figther, ekko was a skirmish assasin, and kayle as a support. Just because you design something with a role in mind doesn't mean that it end up on that role and can be considered off meta when they are returned to their designed position.

If you see a Blitz top you woudl consider him offmeta even though he was designed as a top laner, similar effect on lux as support.

iirc diana was designed as mid and blitz was designed before the meta was set in stone

RogueWillDec 21, 20161 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7WSLWcACiw

go watch Diana Champion Spotlight and iluminate yourself

bad arcade kittyDec 21, 20161 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7WSLWcACiw

go watch Diana Champion Spotlight and iluminate yourself

i personally recall her release though

RogueWillDec 21, 20161 votes

I have visual proof. Your memory possible isn't as reliable

OleandervineDec 21, 20161 votes

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And Diana was designed as a Jungler yet you see her more often MId, Nautalius was designed as a Jungler and Blitz as a Top laner figther, ekko was a skirmish assasin, and kayle as a support. Just because you design something with a role in mind doesn't mean that it end up on that role and can be considered off meta when they are returned to their designed position.

If you see a Blitz top you woudl consider him offmeta even though he was designed as a top laner, similar effect on lux as support.

Kayle is too old to have been part of the current meta. She was designed as a generalist like many champs of that era.

You do see Diana jungle, and Nautilus top lane. Those are far from troll picks. Blitzcrank didn't do so well top lane, so that's why he eventually shifted into a duo lane.

Lux, though, in support isn't a crazy pick. She has snares, slows, and a shield, and then a full blast ult. Her kit is perfect for a support, and a ton of other fully dedicated supports have similar kit designs.

If you really want to argue meta shifts, Morgana moved into the support role almost exclusively, despite being primarily a mid laner prior to that. She is just like Lux in terms of kit design, yet people condemn Lux and don't even bat an eyelash at Morgana.

bad arcade kittyDec 21, 20161 votes

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If you really want to argue meta shifts, Morgana moved into the support role almost exclusively, despite being primarily a mid laner prior to that. She is just like Lux in terms of kit design, yet people condemn Lux and don't even bat an eyelash at Morgana.

morgana is still played mid a lot and has statistically a high winrate there

one needs to land her q well though

also morgana has a way better cc than lux - a longer snare and an aoe stun, also she has a better anti-cc shield than lux, that's why she is a better support than lux, lux severely lacks cc having only a weakish snare (even if it's a double snare) and a very situational slow

Final Spark LuxDec 21, 20161 votes

Nope. I don't consider anything off meta. I don't care what people play as long as everyone is kind and has a good time. It's a game after all, we're supposed to enjoy it