mages coming into play again "OMG ADC need help"
assassins are seing play "OMG ADC arent even worth picking anymore"
tanks come back into the meta "OMG we cant play adc anymore tanks 1 shot them never die, adc useless now"
BattleOxe67 votesADCs getting buffed: OMG ADCs still weak, can't assasinate people in 0.5 secs like rengar or zed
UltraSceptile48 votesADCs getting buffed: OMG ADCs still weak, can't assasinate people in 0.5 secs like rengar or zed
If zed is oneshotting people in that small of a time frame you fed the shit out of him and deserved to lose.
BattleOxe9 votesTrue, he needs death mark to proc too. I just say it as an example of assasin. And who said I played mid?
ƒoes1 votesppth, still can kill people in that time frame as zed if im 0/3
But yeah, it is true that Riot nerfed Zed's ult in the first place because people were able to kill people in a fourth of a second as him...
Tridem1 votesppth, still can kill people in that time frame as zed if im 0/3
But yeah, it is true that Riot nerfed Zed's ult in the first place because Koreans were able to kill people in a fourth of a second as him...
What about The chinses or the... the Japenese? Theres more to Asians than Korea.
ƒoes1 votesMy bad! fixed.
N30NP4NDA12 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTfFTE9A1Os You look like you need some help.
Sooko33 votesAnd then we think of the last time ADCs were out of the meta compared to those roles...
Assassin meta: Still has an ADC in both teams Mage meta: Still has an ADC Bruiser meta: Still has ADCs Tank meta: Still has ADCs
TheRainInSpain3 votesThe only meta I remember that didn't have an ADC was the short span when Double Bruiser Bot and Only AD Assassin Mid came together. Not as many people were sure Vayne/Quinn-type Marksmen were viable top, and Urgot/Kennen/Teemo were not considered ADC's even if they built straight AD.
T RexHasTinyArms6 votesDouble relic shield bot lane when it was first released..... ah good times.
Ariel the Cruel3 votes
You called?
SunriseSkaterKid27 votesThis is so true. ADC mains are lowkey some of the worst players in terms of complaining. Any meta that isnt a strictly ADC meta is considered an unplayable shit meta by most adc mains. "Tanks are too tanky, ADC's suck." "Mids are the most important laners in this meta, therefore adc is useless" "Junglers are so strong, ADC can't 1v1 a lee sin111!!!!11" then when ADC are powerful they begin to complain that a certain ADC is too powerful. "OMG VAYNE SO STRONG I CANT BEAT HER AS LUCIAN NERF." "OMG JINX CRIT ROCKETS ARE INSANE NERF PLZ TY RITO SO I CAN GO BACK TO PLAYING DRAVEN" like holy crap STFU adc mains.
ElegantDoge11 votesTHIS.THIS so much THIS. I'm playing since season 1, and the one who cried at EVERY GOD DAMN season are always the "adc players". I agree that they canfeel bad,have a hard time but isn't it the case for everyone? Do they think it was funny at season 3 with the assassins mid to loose the lane AND most likely the game because zed killed you ONCE and snowballed as hell on it? Do they think it was funny on season 2 whjere Jax,Irelia,Shen,Mundo etc..were played all days and there were no flasks,no tp meta so if you died once, the lane was over.Yes it still can happens of course,but less than before.. Does the players of ap carry had fun when there an assassin top and an assassin mid?Yeah i'm sure that was fun for them.. Yet who cries the most ?Adc "mains".
I won't disagree that some changes has to be made about them,but they really overreact all the time..
LeeDark10 votesHere's the thing: As a non-ADC main, I actually see MORE people crying and whining about ADC mains than I see ACTUAL ADC MAINS CRYING AND WHINING.
Penns10 votesdying* :]
Critmaster Garen6 votesdying* :]
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jDiosama8 votesADC mains are just whiny b*tches, nothing new
DragonShea8 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E2bXqnJu,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-09-05T20:23:35.931+0000)
mages coming into play again "OMG ADC need help"
assassins are seing play "OMG ADC arent even worth picking anymore"
tanks come back into the meta "OMG we cant play adc anymore tanks 1 shot them never die, adc useless now"
Sounds to me that ppl are WAY too attached to the Idea that ADC's are supposed to be the only real carrys in LoL. Really?! I see ADC as ranged damage dealers, not the main role for carrying.
50000000000000004 votesADCs are the best tower takers. Azir and Ziggs have some power to take towers, but they're really weak.
Heckin Support7 votesThe problem is people never peel for the adc ever in games. If you play adc, you're going to probably get focused, thats why they literally have a role assigned to peel and protect them, but sometimes it takes more of a team to peel an adc and win the game. The amount of times I've lost games because I'm the only person trying to peel the whatever off the adc is abysmal.
jDiosama7 votesBS, nearly every ADC can peel for themselves with either mobility or soft CC
LeeDark3 votesDo you understand what "getting focused" means? Vayne can peel ONE person off herself and tumble a short distance away from the 2 or 3 other people coming after her.
Trist can peel all three IF she is lucky and they all come in from the same direction at the same time. Then she can jump away and not contribute to the rest of the fight.
Ashe can kite one person indefinitely, but gets fucked as soon as it is two people after her.
Lucian can dash once, and he has a short range anyway, so he's fucked no matter what. Graves is the same, but Smoke Bomb is... sort of... peel. It's not good peel, but it slows a little.
Quinn sucks. There just isn't really anything more to say about her.
See the point? If you aren't peeling for your ADC and the other team IS peeling for theirs... GUESS WHO WINS THE FIGHT.
Erytroxylin2 votesBS, nearly every ADC can peel for themselves with either mobility or soft CC
Not Mordekaiser.
Thats a Bingo7 votesAll jokes aside, ADC mains (at least the ones who know what they are doing) don't really have an issue with the damage we deal. What really stresses us out is that playing ADC is like playing with a "Focus Me" sign.
You would not believe how many games I've played where the enemy's main strategy is to send EVERYBODY bot lane. I could be pushed all the way to my lane, but a well coordinated team will still find a way to destroy me.
If anything, ADC's should have more survivability, but crit should be removed from the game with something more consistent :P
Ralanr1 votesI can back this up. I swear people just Zerg bot.
Sire Hippington5 votesyou know why they do this? cause the adc is the breaking point. If your adc is fed and you don't missplay massivly as a team, it's gg, and if the enemie adc is set behind, you can run wild with tanks and co.
Ralanr2 votesMakes me somewhat happy when jungle ganks top. Means they aren't in bot for a gank.
Then midlane goes to gank.
Ariel the Cruel5 votesIf anything, ADC's should have more survivability
Thanks. No really, Thanks. Not like I sold my soul to be your slave or anything. And only your slave. (What a 1-sided deal that was.) Oh well. Sorry top. Sorry mid. Sorry jungle.
~ Your support (mains)
The Yetii Rider1 votes[{quoted}](name=Thats a Bingo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E2bXqnJu,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2015-09-06T00:09:47.890+0000)
All jokes aside, ADC mains (at least the ones who know what they are doing) don't really have an issue with the damage we deal. What really stresses us out is that playing ADC is like playing with a "Focus Me" sign.
You would not believe how many games I've played where the enemy's main strategy is to send EVERYBODY bot lane. I could be pushed all the way to my lane, but a well coordinated team will still find a way to destroy me.
If anything, ADC's should have more survivability, but crit should be removed from the game with something more consistent :P
This. Marksmen are toxic because Riot has designed their role to be entirely unsuited for building defense. Most marksmen don't even get decent life steal until their third item.
Assassins have Maw, Bruisers have Cleaver and Plate, tanks are tanks, and supports have Locket. Marksmen have Mercurial Scimitar but it's an extremely difficult item to build, with very expensive components.
So marksmen are forced to rely on their own positioning and other players to keep them alive. Except if their mid is an assassin he has no peel, if their top is a bruiser he's diving the other carry, if his jungler is an early pressure jungler they're basically useless after 30 minutes, and if their support is Sona or Soraka or Taric the peel is basically non-existent.
When marksmen die, occasionally it is their fault, but more often than not its just that they get killed by the slightest bit of damage that would have been irrelevant if they had just a little armor or health in their build.
kaykalos1 votesWhen marksmen die, occasionally it is their fault, but more often than not its just that they get killed by the slightest bit of damage that would have been irrelevant if they had just a little armor or health in their build.
If they do that they must make them to win squishies instead of tanky or the opposite, u cant be tanky have range and mobility and beat every squishy and nonsquishy champion, for example they can make a item that gives u 400 hp 35 damage 30 mr cleanse the first cc and gives u 40 flat armor pene (for third item), but u cant buy last whisper if u built that (something like unique passive) (range only) or a item that gives armor hp damage, 250 hp 40 armor 20 damage 35%armor pene but u cant built lw or the previews item. Or something like that, make marksman to do a decision Or something like atmas 45 armor + 25% damage 20 % crit chance, but ur critical stikes cannot excel 2( same unique passive with infinity for bt builts) we can have and a mr version of this item
NullDragon7 votesADCs suck. In that they're not fun.
You get a ton of damage, yes. You are REQUIRED to be on the team. But a lot of times you have about as much say in the team as a turret or minion. If your teammates aren't peeling perfectly, you die. Sometimes if your teammate DO peel perfectly, you still die. You have poor initiating, poor utility, no way really to help your teammates for the most part except OCCASIONALLY vision.
You know that play in the LCS where Meteos stepped in front of the promoted siege minion with baron nashor? ADCs are that siege minion. And the rest of your team is Meteos. Other lanes get this, but only certain champions. ADCs have this happen ALL THE TIME.
Even AP carries tend to have items like Zhonya's which gives them survivability.
hi im alphonse6 votesLet's be honest here, if ADC's arent bending over every other class backwards, they're "weak"
It's not like pros are throwing their top laner under the bus just so that they can skip early game or anything.....
Feathermane6 votesHaven't seen a single adc thread complaining of their weakness.
Have seen dozens of bruiser whining threads every day of every week of every month since Boards beta was released.
Critmaster Garen4 votesHaven't seen a single adc thread complaining of their weakness.
Have seen dozens of bruiser whining threads every day of every week of every month since Boards beta was released.
ive seen multiple threads complaining that adc are obsolete.
LeeDark5 votesAnd yet you don't link a single one of them. Which would be helpful, because I don't see them.
Honestly, I see more people whining and crying about ADC mains, like this thread, than I do threads by ADC mains whining and crying.
And you can check my most played champs... NONE of them are ADC.
Critmaster Garen3 votesAnd yet you don't link a single one of them. Which would be helpful, because I don't see them.
Honestly, I see more people whining and crying about ADC mains, like this thread, than I do threads by ADC mains whining and crying.
And you can check my most played champs... NONE of them are ADC.
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/dA5U9G2X-the-death-of-the-marksman
ive seen multiple of those threads over the last couple days. i see them all the time tbh. every meta shift has adc mains freaking out on the boards that their class has been obsolete or that theyre dying. meanwhile theyre still played 100% of the games while other classes actually have been pushed out of the game in the meantime.
LeeDark3 votesLMAO. A single thread with ONE ADC main, potentially trolling the forums, who got six TOTAL responses, ALL of which were against him, and even more downvotes.
Meanwhile, morons come out of the woodwork to whine and cry about ADC mains on your thread. Pretty easy to tell which is actually the bigger problem. So let me give you a bit of your own advice: "OH MY GOD, stop crying."
Critmaster Garen3 votesLMAO. A single thread with ONE ADC main, potentially trolling the forums, who got six TOTAL responses, ALL of which were against him, and even more downvotes.
Meanwhile, morons come out of the woodwork to whine and cry about ADC mains on your thread. Pretty easy to tell which is actually the bigger problem. So let me give you a bit of your own advice: "OH MY GOD, stop crying."
dude. my response was because that was the third post like that ive seen that day. i just linked the most recent because it was easy to find in my post history i dont respond to all of them. just go through the boards and look back. youll find posts like this almost every day.
ive played this game for 5 years and this happened on old gd every time a meta shift occured and it keeps happening here.
even if they dont make specific threads. the way adc mains are talking about their class is in many cases like theyre dying out from the game. theyre taking about them in phrases like "adc get even more obsolete" and "there is no reason to pick them anymore". EVERY time. ive seen that shit so many times. thats why i snapped that the dude.
Matezoide5 votes+1 for truth.
TurquoiseYoshi4 votesThe literal only reason ADCs are needed anymore is to take towers quickly. Their damage output can be rivaled by many of these bruisers, and these bruisers can actually survive a fight. All of the needed AD output can come from bruisers, so the only real decent ADCs are the ones with mixed damage, like Corki and Kog'Maw, and the ones with utility, like Sivir or Kalista. Oh, and Mordekaiser.
Critmaster Garen6 votesThe literal only reason ADCs are needed anymore is to take towers quickly. Their damage output can be rivaled by many of these bruisers, and these bruisers can actually survive a fight. All of the needed AD output can come from bruisers, so the only real decent ADCs are the ones with mixed damage, like Corki and Kog'Maw, and the ones with utility, like Sivir or Kalista. Oh, and Mordekaiser.
and vayne and graves and jinx.
tah daaaah.
you sudenly realize that most adc are actually picked and strong in a fight and capable of carrying a game. in one of my recent games, a varus actually carried with twice the damage than anyone else on our team.
he played bot and there were juggernauts in the enemy team. he actually laned against a morde if i recall correctly.
edit.: he actually won against a graves and with an adc build actually dealt double the damage of our devourer shyvana. not an ad/cdr pokey build.
LeeDark2 votesYou suddenly realize that all ADC's being mostly viable really just means they are all interchangeable despite different strengths and weaknesses, showing they actually are weak because you pick one at random for the one thing they all have in common: the ability to take towers faster than anyone.
Earl Eulrich4 votesor maybe you recognize that crit still is heavily overscaled so despite different strengths and weaknesses ADCs mostly get picked to rightclick everyone into a very fast death...
Earl Eulrich3 votesapart from the fact that it´s way easier for adcs to deal the dmg in a fight than for bruisers...kiting is just easier than avoiding getting peeled (especially considering that most adcs are more mobile than bruisers with similar dmg-potential). And lategame the only thing with more dmg than an ADC would be a melee-carry - though those have the same issues with being a lot more risky.
SmokinSickStyle4 votesOMG ADC AREN'T WORTH PICKING.
Meanwhile ADC + dedicated support (Because let's be honest, poor support player are looked upon like slaves from ADC overlords) meta is the only one that hasn't changed since oh, FRIGGING FOREVER and no matter what team comp you are going to take you'll see a HIGH DAMAGE DEALING RANGED CHAMP
No honestly, outside this last part of this season, Riot never tried to change the botlane meta, i find it actually thrilling to face anything than the standard bot duo, Riot finally is trying new things directed towards botlane, with Morde we have an example that this is a reality and can improve further.
I've seen midlane chaning from assassins to mages alot, Top lane has changed not as much as mid but most of all, as always the most impactful "role" to play, that has changed more than anything with the biggest effects, is the JUNGLE.
Junglers since the dawn of times, are the true overlords of this game for the majority of time, forcing players to adapt every new season to a new playstyle, and often enough changing even lanes for how hard to balance the usual items are (Ezreals mid abusing new AP jungle items, or not so long ago Cinderhulk toplaners to, literally anybody with a 3rd hit AA ability trying to abuse the funk out of Sated Devourer.).
After all of this, once again, the only STALE, ROCK SOLID, TRUE ICE FROZEN gameplay has been the standard bot lane duo of a ranged carry and a ~~ personal slav~~ Support.
Critmaster Garen4 votes{quoted} Top lane has changed not as much as mid but most of all, as always the most impactful "role" to play, that has changed more than anything with the biggest effects, is the JUNGLE.
top has seen bruisers, assassins, mages, tanks and adc through the various seasons. often resulting in one of the classes to be competely pushed out of the game.
i remember season 4 when top lane was dominated by mages and adc (lucian, quinn, cait, vayne). bruisers and tanks simply didnt exist at the time.
Steelflame4 votesYou know why ADC+Sup bot is always done?
Because ADC+Support are the only people who can effectively duo lane without it wrecking them. All other classes need a full lane's farm and a full lanes XP, to scale in a way as to actually be able to do anything. If you don't have that, you can't fight anyone who DOES have that. You can't run on half a lanes gold and XP on any other class and be effective, while supports can survive on no gold for the most part and some XP, and ADCs mostly just need the gold, and the levels are just a boost. Mages go mid because most of the time, they would be 100% unable to survive a gank on a side lane. Bruisers/tanks go top because they actually can survive such a gank.
Literally the only reason why Mord works bot is because his W lets him get the full lanes XP despite the fact he is duo laning. If he lost that, the loss in levels would wreck him very fast, even with how overtuned the rest of his kit is for duo laning.
You know why this is done bot, and not top, for the most part? Dragon. By having 3 people surrounding Dragon over 2, this makes it so that it is both safer to take it when you get to do it with said group, and that it is harder for the enemy to do it if they don't have said group.
All of League's meta issues are based on the fact that we only have 4 sources of gold/XP, and 5 champs who need to use it. The distribution of objectives and the lengths of the lanes is all that decides the lanes actual layout. If you moved dragon to baron pit, ADC+Sup would just go top instead of bot. If you made mid the long lane, and made top/bot short, Bruisers/tanks would go mid, and mages and ADC+Sup would dominate the short lanes, with mages being on whichever one is farther from dragon. It's all in how the map was made in the beginning that causes our issues now.
Gubaguy3 votes
Pale Pirate3 votesMordekaiser gets reworked: OMG RIOT IS TRYING TO VANQUISH ADCS
