So manaless champions/no resource champs are gated by lower damage/long cooldowns

IsIsGankedParis·Dec 10, 2014·9 votes·1,923 views

Can we please explain Riven? She has some of the lowest cooldowns and highest damage and she's resourceless, Garen is the only one who has an actual tradeoff.

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NotDevanDec 10, 201413 votes

I think it's perfectly fair for a champion to have a shield without building tanky, 4 gap closers, hard cc, a ranged execute, and high damage all on low cooldowns without mana or energy.

-No one but Riven mains

JunkοDec 10, 20144 votes

Tbh Riven used to be WAY worse, but yeah she still needs a rework.

AlphariteDec 10, 20148 votes

Here we go. The Riven QQ begins again.

And no, I don't play or even own Riven.

Mikal PikalDec 10, 20143 votes

You can do that with ANY champ's kit and make them sound OP. Riven has clear and significant weaknesses that are easily exploited. I'd much rather go against her than Gnar for example.

SookoDec 10, 20147 votes

That logic is fine, but old. Nowadays, being manaless means nothing related to cooldowns or damage anymore. Zed Yasuo come to mind.

The other manaless champions are the ones at a disadvantage because their cooldowns are still painful Shen Garen Renekton the problem isn't Riven.

AntiSkillshotDec 10, 20145 votes

Look at her health regen.

Literally, go and look at it.

The Storm DragonDec 10, 20141 votes

Look at her health regen.

Literally, go and look at it.

Health regen doesn't matter when she can just kill her lane opponent and the jungler in a 1v2 while taking minimal damage.

Lord DusteonDec 10, 20145 votes

Look at her health regen.

Literally, go and look at it.

Health regen doesn't matter when she can just kill her lane opponent and the jungler in a 1v2 while taking minimal damage.

Unless she's fed or several ranks higher that's not happening. Or I guess if your jungler did top side and then went to Riven at 1/4th hp.

Riven pays for her pros by being short ranged, rather telegraphed, and having extremely lackluster sustain. In return, she's rather mobile and has high damage.

AntiSkillshotDec 10, 20142 votes

Look at her health regen.

Literally, go and look at it.

Health regen doesn't matter when she can just kill her lane opponent and the jungler in a 1v2 while taking minimal damage.

When her health regen is the lowest in the game? Just poke her. Your poke ability will be off cooldown before she'll be even able to heal a fourth of the damage done. It's that bad.

Because she loses lane against more champions than she beats. To my memory: all crush her. There are a few others, but you get the point.

- Has the mobility, cc, and shield to survive her so long as she holds out until 6.

Tell that to Gbay. He's not lost to a single Riven as Irelia since Riven's health regen nerf. And half the time, Gbay will kill the Riven at level 3, which is when Riven's the strongest.

Kuroi86Dec 10, 20143 votes

Pantheon Gonna be hard for her to try doing anything when she's hiding under tower at low health.

AnOstrichWithPMSDec 10, 20143 votes

shyv has low cds and decent damage

NarasimhaDec 10, 20143 votes

Look at her base health regen. It is literally the lowest in the game (baring Gnar, but he kind of makes up for it when he goes Mega).
Look at how predictable she is. Every one of her moves is easily telegraphed. Unless she flashbangs you, which any champion can do.
Look at how useless she is when not fed. She's basically relegated to a farm bot.
Because she loses lane against more champions than she beats. To my memory: all crush her. There are a few others, but you get the point.
I'm not a Riven main. I don't even remember the last time I played Riven.

BrothaDec 10, 20141 votes

Because she loses lane against more champions than she beats. To my memory: all crush her. There are a few others, but you get the point.

Irelia - Has the mobility, cc, and shield to survive her so long as she holds out until 6. Jayce - Has a shield, 4 gap closers, hard CC. A Riven who starts cloth+5 pots will destroy Jayce.

Knight SoIaire Dec 10, 20142 votes

So manaless champions/no resource champs are gated by lower damage/long cooldowns

its wrong statement

its the champions that posses mana who are gated by the resource because their skills can be way too op when spammed all day long

look at pantheon, kassadin, ahri whatever mana having champion has skills that prove to be better at the cost of a resource

MrSlowDieDec 10, 20142 votes

everyone QQ about Riven Syndra Orianna but I doubt riot will nerf them, since they have a clear weakness. Their WR is in a good spot too, not high/low.

Lumus AvatarDec 10, 20141 votes

i love Garen.even before his massive regen buff, he just felt like he was in the right spot. Sufficiently weak for his 0 cost abilities + impressive regen.

WaaweeDec 10, 20141 votes

Well she does rush cdr so there's that. In my opinion, her ult is the only ability that has a really short cooldown (esp with cdr) for the power it gives.

WizzleboomDec 10, 20141 votes

They are buffing Yasuo q to 3 secs at all ranks too. Name another melee carry that uses mana with a 3 sec poke/nuke/stun.

Knight SoIaire Dec 10, 20145 votes

down voted because its 4 sec

Stars ShaperDec 10, 20141 votes

And downvoted because Q is his only form of damage.

RebonackDec 10, 20144 votes

And downvoted because Q is his only form of damage.

til: Innates and autos don't deal damage.

Stars ShaperDec 10, 20141 votes

Q is Yasuo AA, if you lose time doing AA and don't Q you are either doing it wrong or just pacefully cleaning a minion wave alone.

junglerboy16Dec 10, 20141 votes

it is essentially a non targeted AA reset, so Wukong's Q comes to mind for similar capabilities, also Trundle's Q.

DropFillDec 10, 20141 votes

Riven is just a stupid champion. I hate when people say that she has the lowest health regen in game : she has a fucking spammable shield to avoid damage and she is one of the few champions that synergize well with lifesteal on top lane. She has stupid mobility, damage and a AOE execute. Meanwhile Darius uses mana, 0 mobility, and his damage doesn't even come close to hers. She needs to be nerfed or reworked. A lot of champions, if they die ONCE to her, are screwed for the rest of the game.