Just lost a ranked game to an invis nid spear stealing baron.

Tentakill Myself·Mar 23, 2015·62 votes·4,392 views

Not going to QQ. Just asking for context on why she isn't disabled yet.

89 Comments

LoLKiruMar 23, 201516 votes

Out of curiosity how often does this happen anyway? I've never seen an invisible nidalee spear, even when its from FoW (maybe its just dumb luck though)

And for that matter what causes it? It clearly doesn't happen every single time so there must be some random factor playing into it.

Truly PridefulMar 23, 20152 votes

It seems random, but more common with Headhunter. I've had games where it didn't happen at all, then I'll play another and a lot of the spears will be invisible. Hopefully they fix it in the next patch because she's extremely hard to play against when the glitch is happening.

A Miss FortuneMar 23, 20153 votes

She's already extremely hard to play against when they're visible. I really don't think it'll matter if you can see them or not. You're gonna get hit eventually and when you do you die. It's just Nidalee's toxic playstyle Riot refuses to change.

Ariel the CruelMar 23, 20151 votes

But they did change it. They knocked ~200 damage off the spear in exchange for a 700 range gap closer and execute.

"Fixed".

TBadgerMar 23, 20153 votes

No one was complaining about nidalee untill they made her a viable jungler, now people won't stop moaning.

She's a squishy assassin, that needs to be able to land a very narrow skill show to have the chance of killing someone. Also she's not like leblanc who can explode someone and blink out, you have to commit to kill some one, and also be in a position where you won't get exploded your sefl.

If you die to nidalee, it's because you were out of possition/not near your team.

Ariel the CruelMar 23, 20152 votes

The problem isn't necessarily that people are "dieing" to her. It's that landing even 1 of her dozens of spears before a fight forces you to back. If you're lucky, the tank blocks it and can still survive 1 more before backing. If you're not lucky, then the upcoming team fight becomes an instant 4v5. Did you manage to dodge it? Great. There's another one comming in 5/6 seconds. Every 5/6 seconds.

And unlike LB, Nid has no risk when chucking ICBM's. Unless you're Kassadin or ulted Master Yi, you're not going to catch her. You can't effectively poke her either thanks to that heavy scaling heal.

Nobody is calling her OP. She hasn't been OP since her AD Cougar build got gutted back in S2.

But she suffers from CertainlyT syndrome. Playing her is fun. Playing against her is infuriating at even the best of times.

And the amount of QQ she's getting is proportionate to her play rate. She wasn't seen as much until she started jungling. Now she's a top tier jungler. The complaints, however, are exactly the same.

TBadgerMar 24, 20151 votes

She might not have risks from her spears, but thats why you need to engage as soon as possible. It's the same with any poke team, if you spend too long trying to swap skill shots, you're going to come out behind. And if your tanks can't take more than 2 spears, they're not building right.

You say leblanc is riskier? Well if nidalee is actually going to get a kill, she needs to jump into melee range to do any reliable damage, whilst you might be able to melt a squishy target, you can't just blink away like zed or leblanc can, if any of the rest of their team is there, one good cc spell and you're dead.

The way to beat nidalee (as with all poke champions) is engage quickly. She has mobility, yes, but who doesn't these days. No you might not be able to catch her over a long chase, but that's the same with a lot of runaround champs. Also, if she's running away, that's significantly less threat to your carries.

junglerboy16Mar 23, 20151 votes

It's sad that they don't disable her for a rare yet game breaking bug, but we all know for a fact that if there were a single LCS match where her spears were invisible they would scrap the match, instantly disable her, and get on it ASAP.

Ariel the CruelMar 23, 20151 votes

It's been observed in the LCS. A few times. Over the last few seasons.

It's not consistent enough for Riot to bother with it.

junglerboy16Mar 23, 20151 votes

Really? That's crazy. Did they even restart the matches?

Ariel the CruelMar 23, 20152 votes

no.

Bare in mind, this bug isn't exclusive to Nidalee. There are a handful of skill shots that can randomly turn invisible. Nidalee's ICBM's have the biggest impact, which is why the get the most attention.

PæanMar 23, 201548 votes

" I've never seen an invisible nidalee spear, even when its from FoW"

Of course you haven't >:D

LeeDarkMar 23, 201513 votes

I didn't see what you did there.

Tannhäuser GateMar 23, 20158 votes

LeeSin i smell what you did there

RikariMar 23, 20152 votes

It looks like He walked into that one

PæanMar 23, 20151 votes

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/300/2/4/oh_you_by_doom1272-d31mb3c.jpg

;)

ZirzonMar 23, 20152 votes

I think it may only happen to people with certain lower graphic settings, though I don't really know. I haven't encountered any personally.

Edit: Apparently not ingame graphics setting. Other computer settings? Graphics card maybe?

Focus TeemoMar 23, 20151 votes

I run league on the highest settings, and have encountered it twice. I don't believe its related to graphical settings, however its possible.

PalPlaysMar 23, 20153 votes

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I run league on the highest settings, and have encountered it twice. I don't believe its related to graphical settings, however its possible.

What they should do is remove it and reprogram the ability from the ground up. They don't HAVE to change anything, but it might correct any mistakes the spell has.

UndeadmerlinMar 23, 20151 votes

Do you even understand what your saying. that could take over a damn month.

PalPlaysMar 24, 20151 votes

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Do you even understand what your saying. that could take over a damn month.

Yes, I do realize. Patches come out about once a month anyway, so it isn't THAT big of a hassle.

gr8jobMar 23, 20153 votes

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I think it may only happen to people with certain lower graphic settings, though I don't really know. I haven't encountered any personally.

Maybe you're onto something here. I can distinctly remember it happening a couple of times when using my dinky laptop on vacation, but I don't think I've ever encountered it on my gaming desktop (unless I dodged an invisible projectile.) Or, on the other hand, it might be related to network (as I was using a different one there,) or even something as crazy as sound drivers.

Focus TeemoMar 23, 20151 votes

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Out of curiosity how often does this happen anyway? I've never seen an invisible nidalee spear, even when its from FoW (maybe its just dumb luck though)

And for that matter what causes it? It clearly doesn't happen every single time so there must be some random factor playing into it.

It seems to be as random as the Shen ult bug, with no major cause. You could play 1000 matches and not encounter it, or you could play 10 matches and see it every game.

Edit: Well actually now that i think about it the Stand United bug was MUCH less frequent(most didn't even know it existed).

SinlaireMar 23, 20151 votes

last i checked they fixed/nearly perfectly eliminated the stand united bug back around 4.19 i think. i literally had like a 1 sentence comment and a picture. i'm sure many people missed it.

i only remember because i didn't even know the bug existed until i read the patch.

Ariel the CruelMar 23, 20152 votes

It's inconsistent. And Riot still hasn't uncovered it's root cause.

It used to be reproducible by throwing a spear the moment you enter a bush. This was fixed though.

And it's actually not just Nid spears. Mundo occasionally has invisible cleavers. Those have a faster bullet speed, shorter range, and don't 3-shot a tank (Used to 2-shot them). So you don't generally hear people complaining about them.

vonGroopahMar 23, 20151 votes

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It's inconsistent. And Riot still hasn't uncovered it's root cause.

It used to be reproducible by throwing a spear the moment you enter a bush. This was fixed though.

And it's actually not just Nid spears. Mundo occasionally has invisible cleavers. Those have a faster bullet speed, shorter range, and don't 3-shot a tank (Used to 2-shot them). So you don't generally hear people complaining about them.

Seconding occaisonal invisible Dr. Mundo cleavers. After 100 ranked games with him this season, I've had 5-6 different matches where my cleavers were invisible for the enitre enemy team.

Revlak JavikMar 24, 20151 votes

I always thought it had to do with lower graphic settings, but I'm not sure how it happens.

BolwinkelMar 24, 20151 votes

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Out of curiosity how often does this happen anyway? I've never seen an invisible nidalee spear, even when its from FoW (maybe its just dumb luck though)

And for that matter what causes it? It clearly doesn't happen every single time so there must be some random factor playing into it.

It's been quite often for me. About 75% of games that have a nidalee in them, their spears are invisible. Team or Enemy i will flame at them if I can't see their spears.

Phuc Dat BichMar 23, 201513 votes

LC$ big play$ that why she is not disabled yet

bad arcade kittyMar 23, 20159 votes

if only you saw that spear you could drag baron from its way or to quickly heal the baron to save his life (:

jk, somebody would take it instead

Tentakill MyselfMar 23, 201534 votes

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if only you saw that spear you could drag baron from its way or to quickly heal the baron to save his life (:

jk, somebody would take it instead

If it wasnt invis I could:

Flash in front of it to block it
Stop taking baron so it wouldn't kill it
Let it steal baron and not bitch because it was a fair play and I could have done the above 2 to block it.

RainbowgasmMar 23, 20151 votes

most people say it happens about 1/game, but you don't "see" it unless it hits something so might be more.

Surr20plzApr 10, 20151 votes

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If it wasnt invis I could:

Flash in front of it to block it

Stop taking baron so it wouldn't kill it

Let it steal baron and not bitch because it was a fair play and I could have done the above 2 to block it.

hahaha no, if you didn't have vision of nid and put yourself between her and baron already then there was nothing you could have done.

MrBuffingtonMar 23, 20155 votes

Riot has acknowledged it's a bug, but they say it's rare and not easily reproducible; they're working on fixing it but don't think it's necessary to disable her (I think it might also be a client-side error, so some people might need to repair their client or something, not sure)

(cue downvoting the messenger)

Mr Wright IIMar 23, 20151 votes

Uh, i see it everytime i see nids, just throw a spear in fog of war(and sometimes in just normal lane) and i HAVE repaired my client incase it was it, but i am seeing it everywhere, streams, youtube, in ranked, it's a bug, and riot wont get rid of it SIMPLY cause people would QQ so hard over their broken(quiet literally broken right now) champion being nerfed. Regardless thanks for telling us riot HAS know about this bug... makes me wonder what they are doing... cause Maokai had a bug and he was disabled(i still to this day don't know what it was) so was Velkoz in the summoner 30 games, so what are they doing o.o

JumbaJoopleakleyMar 23, 20151 votes

Maokai's bug was that he was untargetable by anything, even towers.

Ariel the CruelMar 23, 20153 votes

Riot knows about it. It's also been observed in LCS. They've known about it for a long time.

However, it's a long standing bug that no one has been able to replicate*. It seems to occur at complete random. It's also not exclusive to Nid. There are a handful of other skill shots that also experience random invisibility (See Mundo's cleaver).

*At one point, it was discovered that chucking a spear the moment you enter a bush would cause it to become invisible. This was immediately addressed - and overall vision mechanics were updated shortly afterwards. However, this was not the root cause.

AbyssphereMar 23, 20151 votes

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Uh, i see it everytime i see nids, just throw a spear in fog of war(and sometimes in just normal lane) and i HAVE repaired my client incase it was it, but i am seeing it everywhere, streams, youtube, in ranked, it's a bug, and riot wont get rid of it SIMPLY cause people would QQ so hard over their broken(quiet literally broken right now) champion being nerfed. Regardless thanks for telling us riot HAS know about this bug... makes me wonder what they are doing... cause had a bug and he was disabled(i still to this day don't know what it was) so was in the games, so what are they doing o.o

Get a grip. Fixing a rare bug does not count as a nerf and nobody is going to cry about getting rid of something that people use as an excuse to bitch about her. Nidalee gets nerfed all the time, until a couple of months ago she wasn't considered viable simply because of those nerfs.

The reason they've not disabled her is because they don't know how to fix the bug yet and don't have the confidence in doing it quickly. It's either leave it as a rare bug that doesn't make much difference or leave Nidalee disabled for anything from a week to a couple of months and only the saltiest of the salty would think the latter is the right choice.

Mr Wright IIApr 9, 20151 votes

THEY'VE KNOW FOR MONTHS? AND HAVENT EVEN COMMENTED ON IT>

AbyssphereApr 10, 20151 votes

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THEY'VE KNOW FOR MONTHS? AND HAVENT EVEN COMMENTED ON IT>

They've commented.

Leti the YetiMar 23, 20154 votes

item 2043 shoulda got pink wards

DragmoshMar 23, 20153 votes

What's the difference if the spear was visible or not? It's not like Baron was going to dodge it. Also, if it was invisible, how do you know it was a spear and not a trap that took it?

Guy Fox TeemoMar 23, 20152 votes

I really doubt, that would have changed anything, that nid spear probably would have hit the baron anyways sinc ei doubt you have the reaction time of like .1 seconds. Since you'd only see the spear anyways between baron and the wall, which is like 200-300 units.

Master KorrokMar 23, 20151 votes

Turn up your graphics. I'm pretty sure its not the game, its not a glitch, its because your graphics are not high enough. I ran the test several different ways.

TonyTonyMordecaiMar 24, 20151 votes

If that's the case, I would actually like to test this... Because the nidalee can see the spears, but no one else can... Seriously, I don't know anything about why Nid spears are invisible, I just know it happens.

BolwinkelMar 24, 20151 votes

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If that's the case, I would actually like to test this... Because the nidalee can see the spears, but no one else can... Seriously, I don't know anything about why Nid spears are invisible, I just know it happens.

It's like when her jump was bugged as fuck. She wasn't disabled but was broken as fuck because of it.

Kariu RenaMar 23, 20151 votes

why didnt your shitty team bodyblock any skillshot in the first place

Tentakill MyselfMar 23, 20153 votes

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why didnt your shitty team bodyblock any skillshot in the first place

We were, but it's kind of hard for 5 people to bodyblock all sides of baron against a toothpick sized spear that's invis.

TonyTonyMordecaiMar 24, 20151 votes

You get a biscuit item 2052