What the hell happened to Udyr?

Yenn··2 votes·301 views

The safety of his first clear is totally gone; while he used to be finish the clear with almost full health, he can now barely complete it, ending with ~15% health on the final camp. I suspect he won't even be able to clear if he starts bottom side; the only reason I could clear with 15% health was because I started at blue, which allowed me to (almost, see next problem) stance dance, and because I got the smite heal from red.

The changes to machete have also totally destroyed his mana regeneration, and the fact that he loses the extra regen while in the river compounds on top of that. Even starting blue, I had to moderate my stance changing to maintain mana.

This kind of sucks. His mana regen probably should have been buffed to compensate; he was on par with common mana-less jungles, but now these changes are going to put him behind in favor of mana-less jungles and ones that are less reliant on spamming abilities.

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Yenn1 votes

Another game vs. Lee Sin, Hecarim takes my wolves so I miss a camp. I finish golems with about 30% health, and notice Jax and Hecarim fighting, both low health.

I go to gank Jax, he kills Hecarim, I kill him, and Lee counterganks. He's level 4 with 80% health. I have to flash away. He could have caught and killed me in my jungle at any point. Again, I started on top side and got the heal from smiting red; Lee started bottom and did not.

On my next clear, I start from bottom and work my way top. Blue has expired. By the time I reach top and kill golems, I only have enough mana left for two more spells. Jax kills our Hecarim and gets away with ~20% health, while I still have ~80%.

Later in the game, I realized that even as Udyr with Chilling Smite + Dead Man's Plate + MS quints, I cannot touch Jax. He can kite me indefinitely, without letting me ever make contact, because of the awesome new masteries and the fact that I can no longer stun him while he's dodging.

Udyr is in a really terrible place right now. It's clear that no thought went into how these changes would affect him.

Yenn1 votes

Rofl, this is bordering on unplayable. I'm getting out-jungled by Gold players, because I just cannot do anything due to the poor mana situation. I know exactly where the enemy jungle is, but I can't counter-gank because I'm OOM from clearing the jungle. Alternatively, I can focus on countering them, but I fall far behind on gold and Devourer stacks because I don't have mana to jungle.

Aside from that, the Mercury nerf and addition of CDR on a bunch of items has made it nearly impossible for me to touch anything.

Yenn1 votes

Watching another Gold Tryndamere take all of my camps and chain gank. I spent my mana counter ganking him and went 4-1-2, and then ended the game 4-8-6 because I didn't have any mana to stack my Devourer and I couldn't touch a single fucking thing, because Udyr's mobility is so bad in comparison to the amount of CC right now.

But hey, at least I have that extra 300 health to help me while the enemy ADC kites me to death!

Rysophage1 votes

udyr has been one of the best junglers for such a long time it's about time he fell off the face of the planet. all that champion does is split push and run like a bitch.

Yenn1 votes

This is pretty stupid. I basically cannot impact the game right now, due to the mixture of being unable to connect with anything and being constantly OOM, preventing me from helping my team. I can't even invade anymore, because all of the other common jungles have much safer clears and much stronger 1v1 with the new AD items.

ForgiveColour1 votes

just play Elise LeeSin

Yenn1 votes

Wow, I sure do enjoy having 15 devourer stacks at 20 minutes because the enemy Tryndamere is taking my entire fucking jungle and there's nothing I can do to stop him

Almost as much as I enjoy having a 5 kill advantage and being unable to use it because I'm severely limited by my mana and I can't make contact with most champions.

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