Muramana on Ryze is legit

Doozku··2 votes·4,674 views

Since Ryze has been so weak lately, some Ryze mains decided to find a new build to try to get Ryze good again. They discovered the Muramana build, which is something Ryze used to take, back before his first rework. You might think that Muramana is a really shitty item to take on a full AP mage, like Ryze. We're still building AP, so the AD on the item seems useless. Seraph's is also really good on Ryze, so taking Muramana would stop you from taking Seraph's, right?

Let's look at Muramana, more specifically, it's passive Shock. What this passive does, is give each of your basic attacks AND SPELLS bonus physical damage based on 6% of your current mana. You know what stat Ryze likes to build? Mana. With 3 items, you'd likely have about 3000 mana. This would give you about 100 bonus damage on each spell (give or take depending on your current mana pool). You literally bought an item that gives you 100 free damage on each of your spells, on a champion that shits out spells like no tomorrow. That's the equivalent of buying an item that just gave you 200 AP on Ryze. But that's not all. Late game, when you have full build, you'll likely have about 5000 mana. that's 300 BONUS PHYSICAL DAMAGE ON EVERY SPELL FOR A SPELL SPAMMING MAGE.

Now of course, there are some downsides. Despite Muramana being really good, you have to stack tear first, because Manamune is really shitty on Ryze. And you really can't buy AA because if you stack it up and then buy Manamune, the AA will get all the stacks and the Manamune will reset at 0. So usually the best strategy for this build is to simply get tear and buy other items, like ROA, Zhonyas, Morellos, components for AA (we still get AA this build). Then, when you're tear is stacked fully, you upgrade it to Muramana. The other option wastes gold but gets faster stacks. Basically, we get AA and stack it up to 748, or as high as you can get it. Make sure that you do not upgrade it to Seraphs. We do this, because AA gives us better stats early on, and because it stacks faster than just a tear, or a Manamune. Once you are at base with your stacks, buy another tear, sell AA, then buy Manamune and begin to buy AA again. We don't get Manamune first because AA will upgrade first instead of Manamune, which is why its critical that we sell AA and rebuy it. AA will reset it's stacks, but that doesn't matter much because even without stacks the item is still beneficial, and it stacks fast especially late game.

TL;DR item 3027 item 3042 item 3040 item 3135 item 3157 item 3089 is not troll on Ryze, it's pretty damn good. If you're a Ryze player, try this build but make sure to get Muramana before AA because AA will override Muramana.

14 Comments

Kai Guy3 votes

item 3042 is a better item then folks give it credit. I would also like to point out that it is providing him with more then just its passive for damage on his spells as it adds 6% of its MP to his standard rotation (and that's not calculating for when his Q has had its damage empowered by E.) This being said you did not account for the MP cost of shock lowering its damage after each auto or cast. On an unrelated note, I recently found out that Syndra 's R triggers shocks passive per ball hit.

Doozku1 votes

I mean't for the mana-pool adjustment to be made by rounding the number for the 3000 mana pool down to 100, when in reality the number is 180 at maximum.

Also getting that passive to proc on every syndra orb just sounds insane. Might have to try tear on Syndra now since she tends to spam her Q alot, but I don't know. I don't even own her...

Kai Guy1 votes

Problem is her AP scaling's are good I don't think its gonna be to great outside of the LUUUUULZ games. Then again who knows, she might be able to do some troll Adc build with it.

ChaoticKnight1911 votes

I know its been a while, but do you think this is still viable? Been playing a lot of Ryze recently and this sounds interesting.

Kai Guy1 votes

Riot Nerfed it so you can only have 1 Tear item. So you cant stack item 3003 item 3042 . You can see this in the tool tip even on the boards.

Far as current game state. level 18, full of max MP zero boots item 3042 item 3285 x5. The Muramana passive adds a little under 600 ish physical damage to his rotation (so over 600 added damage with 1 auto weaved in.) about 170 ish damage a cast so weave an auto or two in and you do see some benefits from the muramana but the same build with Seraphs is gonna provide 233 Ap. His base rotation is 1.35 Ap scaling so that's 314.55 Magic damge for his rotation. Course his empowered Q shield is a good deal higher and at max Mp the activated is worth 1300 ish shield for 2 seconds.

Mura is 1000 mp, Seraphs is 1400. Ryze also gets extra MP off his passive for having AP so seraphs adds more MP again. Realisticaly, Your damage drops with Mura as a fight goes on because its off current MP pool, so each cast and auto eats mp.

The interactions of E are that the target will always take the Shock from Mura. How ever all splashed champions do not get hit with shock burn. Shock also only applies to champions, so minion dont see any shock damage ever.

I would say test it in bot with Mura and do the same comp a 2nd time with seraphs. If it feels really good then take it to normals.

Anyhow i cant give you an honest answer about viability here as I don't Play ryze. I just enjoy math and theorycrafting. I dont think super late game builds are all that Viable currently and im not sold the gains in damage from weaving autos into Ryze kit is worth losing the AP from seraphs that ups his MP pool, the Activated shield, And the loss of extra AP that scales off his empowered Q.

If I was to personaly try and abuse Shock as a passive id look to other champions but that's more to do with my bias of not enjoying Ryze more then anything else.

As I off meta id probably do it bot lane rather then mid, try and use that R to snowball and get some easy ganks off with support and jungler, you can almost always count on bot to have 1 squishy enemy champion in it.

could do blue build... the MS on Q and item 3025 would likely be annoying for a lot of champions, especially with that point and click snare.

Starcraft243ver2 votes

Stacking 2 full tears before the end of the game is quite ... hard ?

Doozku1 votes

It really isn't, especially late game. And you don't need a full seraph's anyways. The item is already really good as AA.

Dokkaebi1 votes

Ryze already lacks mobility. Leaving out boots is not going to help.

Doozku1 votes

Sell them late game. You still take boots, I just forgot to mention it.

TheLastShadow451 votes

But remember, it is Single target spells that proc it(So no E).

Apteca1 votes

E is a single target if it isnt kill cs or if you cast it once and then remove the mark by Q, W.

5050BS1 votes

Sadly Ryze is not even close to meta....

No build will have you over 50% win rate

Doozku1 votes

Don't trust Ryze's winrate. When he was considered pick or ban, he only had a 45% winrate. That's not to say that he isn't weak rn tho.

Moonscourge1 votes

Muramana adds additional "mana scaling" to your abilities. You have to see if the bonus from the Muramana scaling is higher than the bonus damage the additional AP from Seraph's would have given you.. the answer is almost always no. He scales too well with AP to build Muramana and especially after the Tear stacking being removed it isn't viable anymore.

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