There arent enough banns for this patch

Drunken Yasuo·Sep 1, 2015·97 votes·3,408 views

Riot fucked up so many patches that 6 bans arent nearly enough for the bullshit they created.

83 Comments

LuggSep 1, 201512 votes

I like the idea that each player gets a ban. Five bans each side would be fine since there are 126 champions now. That's banning only 8% of the pool.

ReshiKillimSep 1, 20158 votes

6 bans are easily enough. The rest is up to player skill, knowledge, yomi, and counterpicking.

Drunken YasuoSep 1, 201527 votes

Elise Skarner Garen Mordekaiser Irelia Vayne Riven Darius Fiora Gangplank Diana need some more?

TorkonSep 1, 201547 votes

Yasuo

TurquoiseYoshiSep 1, 201529 votes

Upvoted for banning this guy's main.

gubigubiSep 2, 20153 votes

Sneaky Yasuo players. Trying to shift the bans onto everyone else! My main is already banned. I have nothing else to lose but LP!

TurquoiseYoshiSep 2, 20151 votes

My mains are never banned. Because they aren't blatantly OP, but still powerful.

gubigubiSep 2, 20151 votes

Well Fiora was that. But not anymore lol.

EasterGooseSep 1, 20152 votes

Darius and garen aren't ban worthy. People just get lazy and don't counterpick properly. Pick gnar or kennen into those two and have fun destroying them. Hell even the donger can beat them.

Meep ManSep 1, 20152 votes

{quoted}

Darius and garen aren't ban worthy. People just get lazy and don't counterpick properly. Pick gnar or kennen into those two and have fun destroying them. Hell even the donger can beat them.

Theres a reason the Donger has a 55% win rate right now.

JoquanSep 1, 20152 votes

Doesn't mean he's overpowered but he's strong in solo Q due to poor coordination between teams

TrídentSep 1, 20151 votes

darius actually is OP rn, but only because of a bug

EasterGooseSep 2, 20151 votes

Two bugs, actually. The double q proc and Woad King Darius' W not having an animation, which allows for an instant 2 stacks

A Miss FortuneSep 1, 201518 votes

Every single Devourer champ?

XinZhao MasterYi Kayle Shyvana Jax

Whoever has one of these guys instantly wins the game since there's minimum counterplay to a full tank Shyvana doing 4,000 Mixed damage a second, Yi doing 1,000 true damage to every individual member of your team, and Xin Zhao....still being as broken as he has been.

TheScholarlyDudeSep 1, 20151 votes

Instantly eh? Didn't know they had a 100% win rate.

A Miss FortuneSep 1, 20155 votes

Well, the item does basically. Taking in consideration I can't get in a single game where both Junglers don't have Devourer.

Seriously, AD Janna Jungle is insane with Devourer. You don't expect her to do a lot of damage until she two shots you.

Slamurai JackSep 1, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Bx93XAbO,comment-id=000000000003,timestamp=2015-09-01T15:51:03.407+0000)

Every single Devourer champ?

Whoever has one of these guys instantly wins the game.

lol.

A Miss FortuneSep 1, 20153 votes

Xin is just as broken as he normally is. Devourer synergizes with his entire kit since he works well with attack speed, his Q is on-hit and his heal is on-hit.

Yi does more true damage than anything.

Kayle can 1v5 your team while taking 0 damage.

Shyvana doers all three forms of damage in multiple different ways while still being insanely tanky.

And the Jax is like a windmill with how fast he attacks. Oh and for some reason Jax's ult passive does more damage than anything else on his kit.

Yeah, I'd consider all of these champions freelo with Devourer.

Slamurai JackSep 1, 20152 votes

Try actually playing any of the champions for a while and then come back and tell me just how freelo they are. A champions weaknesses become blatantly obvious if you actually play them a bit.

A Miss FortuneSep 1, 20152 votes

What are you talking about, being able to do extremely high amounts of Physical, Magical, AND True Damage all at once while going full tank has almost no weakness.

Burst them down? No, atleast 4/6 of their items are tanky and if you build damage over defense they will kill you in a few auto attacks at the very most.

Build defensive? No, they still will do damage since It's mixed and you won't have enough damage to actually combat them.

Counterjungle them? No, they get Sated no matter what you only have to kill a handful of camps and a dragon or two. Assists/Kills count as well for whatever reason.

Slamurai JackSep 1, 20152 votes

The fact that you can't figure out their weaknesses tells me that you don't play them at all. I don't even have to look you up to know that. If you aren't willing to play a champion, don't go ranting about OP they are or how they have no weaknesses. Hell, the fact that you harp on true damage so much is hilarious since Yi is the only one of the bunch that has any. Go play jungle Shyvana or Kayle for a few games and pay attention to how people absolutely shit on you once it happens. The weaknesses of a devourer jungler become very apparent just by playing them for a while.

A Miss FortuneSep 2, 20152 votes

Actually, Shyvana was the first champion I ever played in League and I've played her Top, Jungle, and Mid many times before. Kayle is one of my most played Top/Junglers too and I would say one of the only Top laners I most likely won't feed with.

I think Devourer being overpowered in solo queue is an unarguable fact. It's EXTREMELY difficult to shutdown any tank that can output a few thousand damage with just their auto attacks alone and take nearly none in return. Focus them in teamfights? Go ahead, they're the tank. You can counterjungle, sure go ahead, but they'll just get Sated later anyways. You might not be able to gank as well sure, but getting a kill or two (especially bot lane) can lead to you securing Scuttle and Dragon simultaneously which will significantly cut down the remaining stacks you need.

The weakness of a Devourer Jungle is that they may not have as much relevance to the game as others until 15 - 20 minutes. However when they do reach the stage when they are Sated, they're able to outdamage everyone else in the game and they become extremely hard to shutdown. With the exception of Kayle, they all build tanky as well. Though Kayle has a heal and invincibility on a short cooldown so she can slide with a more glass cannon build.

The Bíg TicketSep 1, 20151 votes

Jax is a trollpick.

AMYS GRAVESep 2, 20151 votes

Jax jungle is no trollpick right now.

The Bíg TicketSep 2, 20151 votes

Not as bad as Jax top but borderline trollpick aswell.

TheScholarlyDudeSep 2, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Danielas Kitten,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Bx93XAbO,comment-id=000000000003000200000000,timestamp=2015-09-02T15:03:02.387+0000)

Not as bad as Jax top but borderline trollpick aswell.

Troll pick = anything not in LCS apparently.

The Bíg TicketSep 2, 20151 votes

Trollpick = a melee champ with the same hp at level 18 as ranged carries like MF or Kog Maw who has a 47% winrate.

NuparuSep 2, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Bx93XAbO,comment-id=000000000003,timestamp=2015-09-01T15:51:03.407+0000)

Every single Devourer champ?

Whoever has one of these guys instantly wins the game since there's minimum counterplay to a full tank Shyvana doing 4,000 Mixed damage a second, Yi doing 1,000 true damage to every individual member of your team, and Xin Zhao....still being as broken as he has been.

I've played quite a bit of Xin Zhao for 3 seasons, he's never truly broken but he's always one step behind the meta picks.

He's not nearly as strong as something like Shyvana or Kayle, but he's right behind them, and Devourer helps him keep up much like Feral Flare and Warrior/SOTEL allowed him to.

Itemization is good for bruisers in general right now, Xin is no exception. Steraks Gaze + Titanic Hydra + Cleaver / Triforce make a potent, painful bruiser to deal with. Add in Ninjas, Frozen Heart and Spirit Visage and he's quite tanky.

But then again, there are other bruisers that do this as well. Shyvana with BOTRK + Devo + tank does MUCH more damage and also has more survivability. Darius has a heal now for fucks sake + true damage ult.

CelebrimborrSep 3, 20151 votes

Shyvana item 3933 item 3153 item 3074 item 1304 item 3091 item 3072

OyddAWqJ5rSep 1, 20156 votes

He's saying pick em and counterpick em and player skill and yadda yadda.

Basically the "balance" of this patch is complete unbalance through multiple overpowered champions thus making them all balanced in their overpoweredness.

Think DotA.

AnidanSep 2, 20152 votes

DotA is sounding much, much better than League's current state of balance. Mostly because DotA has actual checks and balances, and actual power budgets that are attended to.

I'm 100% biased. Don't actually mind me.

OyddAWqJ5rSep 2, 20151 votes

Nah I completely understand where you're coming from. They aren't exactly all balanced in being overpowered counters to each other, leaving plenty of space for any one of them to roll over the others whereas in DotA you have overpowered counters to overpowered characters that are snowballing.

FistOfSharkieshaSep 1, 20153 votes

Lux Will be auto ban after this patch.

EasterGooseSep 2, 20151 votes

Most of these champs hard counter Yasuo.

Oh wait....

HighH1Sep 2, 20152 votes

In shithole Silver as we all know is borderline Bronze so I might sound like a moron but I have no problem with Riven or Fiora the others can go suck a dick tho

chipndip1Sep 2, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Drunken Yasuo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Bx93XAbO,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-09-01T07:02:07.186+0000)

need some more?

Annie Nautilus Soraka Rengar Kalista

Tossing in a few people may or may not wanna add.

LowvyrSep 2, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Drunken Yasuo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Bx93XAbO,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-09-01T07:02:07.186+0000)

need some more? These guys are usually on my ban list too.

AyRe CoNteMpTSep 1, 20152 votes

there havent been enough bans for any patch but i must say with all honesty, before the juggernaut rework it was worse.

Drunken YasuoSep 1, 201512 votes

with the juggernaut rework we now got 4 champs with 54+% winrate more who were 50% 50% 49% and 48% and before that the fiora rework makes 5 new 54% winrate champs

AyRe CoNteMpTSep 1, 20158 votes

even tho their winrate is good, i dont ban champions because they have a high winrate (except if its skarner-high). the juggernauts are not overpowered in any way, and even tho fiora most likely is, i dont ban champions that have clear counterplay and combat patterns. im better than those players so i can beat them, even if its a bit harder due to their champions strengths.

what i ban is champions with no counterplay like elise, vayne, rexai, lee sin and maybe rengar sometimes. also, before the hotfixes i banned skarner and i like it if my enemies ban fiora. and if nobody on my team plays riven, that'd be great.

i dont care about garen, irelia, darius or gangplank tho. they can be beat and this means i will beat them.

ToasteySep 1, 20153 votes

wait but elise, rek'sai, and lee sin all have plenty of counterplay

i agree, though, that vayne and rengar have very little counterplay beyond "don't immediately die and then run really fast"

AyRe CoNteMpTSep 1, 20151 votes

rexai and lee dont have counterplay.

JoquanSep 1, 20153 votes

If you find yourself banning lee sin more than new morde/garen you must be pretty damn high

AyRe CoNteMpTSep 1, 20151 votes

yes, im pretty damn high elo.

VeltrixSep 1, 20152 votes

Must be from all that Shyv spamming

I find the new juggernauts far more infuriating then the old OP champs, at least they seemed moderately killable when they were at their strong points. The only time I've actually seen a Morde/Garen/Darius do poorly (outside of getting ganked 4 times per minute) is when they are against the same champ and one of them has to lose, yikes.

TurquoiseYoshiSep 1, 20156 votes

Elise: Learn to dodge the skillshot

Lee Sin: Learn to dodge the skillshot

Kek'Sai: Don't let her just burrow over to you like "LOLS GUNNA GET DIS KNOCKUP!"

Vayne and Rengar have little counterplay.

AyRe CoNteMpTSep 1, 20151 votes

elise: jungles SUPER fast without losing hp, is almost unduelable/uncatchable and if you ever facecheck her, you are dead 100%. also, her ganks are super at any level.

lee sin: his main burst combo does not involve skillshots and has no counterplay. if he is stronger, you will die. if he is weaker, he will walk away. he has too much freedom of choosing his everything.

canc'ersai: uncatchable, infinite jungle sustain, super strong ganks at any level, super fast clearing, super strong dueling (for whatever reason), super flexible builds, maphack, absurd mobility + cc + damage + objective control. just absurd champion.

no need to thank me. its my pleasure to educate noobs.

TurquoiseYoshiSep 1, 20151 votes

Elise: Dodge the cocoon and the gank should fail.

Lee Sin: His Q uses a skillshot. If you dodge it, his ability to get to you is a lot less powerful.

Rekt'Sai: She doesn't really have as much mobility as you seem to imply. She does have a lot of stuff, but not a lot of numbers behind the stuff. She kinda just sits at either low number values, or high usefulness. Currently she's closer to low values. Especially now that all of her mains are moving away from her for better junglers.

At least I'm not conceited, and I understand grammar and capitalization.

AyRe CoNteMpTSep 1, 20151 votes

elises combo: spiderform run towards you, Q R QWE R EWQ. you MIGHT escape, but you cant avoid getting heavily chunked and if your enemy laner has any form of cc, even if its just a weak slow, you will die even with flash, since you cant dodge that melee cocoon and she can follow up flashes with rappel.

lees combo: W E R Q Q E. no skillshots, no counterplay. sure you can flash right away before he W's you, but if the only counterplay to a champion being on your screen is to flash, it counts as no counterplay.

as of rexai, its hard to argue because if you think undodgeable no-cooldown aoe-knockups are cool, its your opinion. i mean, its wrong but as i said, its hard to argue about it.

TurquoiseYoshiSep 1, 20151 votes

You are assuming in both combos that the jungler's enemy is not actually attacking or using any CC and does not have any innate way of survival.