Fizz passive is trash after laning phase, make him the AD kassadin counterpart

TeemoXNidalee·Nov 15, 2016·6 votes·783 views

That's it, change his passive to:

"Fizz receives 15% reduced physical damage and ignores unit collision"

17 Comments

A DoorknobNov 15, 20161 votes

A lot of champ passive are dumb. It would be nice if they did a rework on champ passives across the board for those that need it. Just look at Heimerdinger. You're idea isn't bad btw. It would make him more playable in higher elo. I doubt Riot even reads this though :(

dPPobrjYEkNov 15, 20161 votes

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A lot of champ passive are dumb. It would be nice if they did a rework on champ passives across the board for those that need it. Just look at Heimerdinger. You're idea isn't bad btw. It would make him more playable in higher elo. I doubt Riot even reads this though :(

heims passive is amazing though, it's a ton of sustain

RalanrNov 15, 20161 votes

So basically give him damage reduction from both AA's and physical damage abilities while Kassadin's is really only noticeable against magic damage abilities since magic damage AA's aren't that common in comparison to physical damage AA's?

TeemoXNidaleeNov 15, 20162 votes

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So basically give him damage reduction from both AA's and physical damage abilities while Kassadin's is really only noticeable against magic damage abilities since magic damage AA's aren't that common in comparison to physical damage AA's?

Considering fizz is terribly weak and is now forced to stand in open fire for 2 seconds just to get his damage off, the I don't see a problem with this.

PennsNov 15, 20161 votes

I think he shouldnt get reduced damage at all. Thats not the point of his kit, or his theme, or anything. He should just get something like a dodge every x seconds.

RalanrNov 15, 20161 votes

I'm not sure about dodging honestly. I think avoiding creep block already helps him seem slippery on his passive.

PennsNov 15, 20162 votes

Meh... It does help but only really early game, mid and late game he basically has no passive.

RalanrNov 15, 20161 votes

The same could be said for a lot of champions.

PennsNov 15, 20162 votes

For example? :o And were talking about literally useless (I dont count like 6 damage reduction per auto useful on an assassin lol) here, not just "kind of bad".

RalanrNov 15, 20161 votes

Sion's passive, Nasus's lifesteal, Morganna spell vamp, Twisted Fate's extra money, etc.

Edit: Also Singed's passive according to Singed mains.

PennsNov 15, 20162 votes

Wut, Sions passive is pretty good for zoning, it shouldnt just be a free kill/flash force after he died (cough Annie). Nasus gets free BT level life steal at level 13, which feels broken as heck on a "tank" that also gets free armor/mr and free hp from his ult. Morganas spell vamp isnt that useful on support, but still not literally useless 99.8% of the time outside of lane. If TF has 150 farm, he got 600 more gold on average than anyone else, thats 2 free kills just for doing what everyone does. And Singeds passive can be really good but apparently he doesnt build Tear or Roa anymore, so.. I guess... It still gives him over 70 bonus hp at level 1 and over 11 bonus hp per level tho, which is better than hp per level seals. And he doesnt even have bad base HP to compensate.

RalanrNov 15, 20161 votes

Fair point on Sion.

Nasus doesn't get lifesteal through his Q I don't think, so late game when he's spamming it he isn't going to get much health back.

I don't think people even notice Morgana's spell vamp.

In lane TF has a great passive. But later in the game where teamfights are more focused it's not noticeable at all.

PennsNov 15, 20162 votes

99% sure Nasus does lifesteal off his Q, which is why it feels so broken to me.

Maybe but on Morg mid for example, if she clears/almost clears a minion wave, dealing like 500 damage to all minions on average with W, its gonna give her around 200 hp at level 13+, or if she its a Q that does 700 dmg late game, its also 150 hp.

You should pretty much farm all game until full or close to full build, so at least it only starts being "useless" at full build. But even then, he still got there faster than normal.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 15, 20161 votes

Woah sion's passive is clunky not useless it makes for a scary engage when they have to split because you died.

It's NEAR useless because for some retarded reason the drain additionally increases per level when it already doubles overtime.

While his hp scaling is useless because he loses base hp and it only off-sets other tanks barely. Pretty retarded, veigar still has AP and gets to stack AP. Thresh gets to be effective without suffering from underlevel(hence why pros loved him pre-lw rework in addition to playmaking). Nasus stacks damage.

It's dumb that sion doesn't get past normal tanks base HP.

TF's gold generation is snowball even if going even. So it's not useless just not flashy.

Meep ManNov 15, 20161 votes

Fizz is in an ok spot right now in comparison to the other Assassins. I would rather get all the others in check and then look at Fizz since Fizz Mid currently has a 48.3% win rate while nearly every other Mid Assassin has a 47.5% win rate or less.