The solution to bring the Bot Lane Mage 'supports' back to Mid is simple

Eedat··7 votes·1,002 views

Malzahar Zyra Brand Velkoz

Its the same as its always been. It's what they did to get rid of solo-lane Lulu except in reverse:

Remove base damage and add AP ratios to compensate.

EDIT: To clarify, not remove ALL base damage. Remove some base damage, add a little AP ratio to compensate

This crushes these champs in the support role while not harming them mid. Even though they buy AP as supports, they can't afford to buy nearly as much and can't do it nearly as fast as a midlaner. I'm aware this would hurt their Mid early game a bit, but lets face it. Whats the other option? Let them rot as bot lane supports?

Another problem that needs to be addressed to bring them back to Mid is the synergy between item 3151 item 3116. These two items add way to much damage to these supports when they use any AOE. Supports can buy just these two items and dish out tons of damage. My suggestion would be that Rylai's slow doesnt count towards the extra burn on Liandry's. Only CC that is within a champion's kit should count towards the extra burn. And I mean any champion on their team, not just themselves.

For example,

  • Eating an E>Q combo from Brand or a root/knockup from Zyra would trigger the extra burn affect. Malzahar ult would trigger the extra burn.

  • Getting tagged by just Brand's E and getting slowed from just the Rylais would NOT apply the extra burn. Getting autoed once by a Zyra plant would NOT apply the extra burn. Malzahar just pressing E would NOT apply the extra burn

Seems pretty simple to me. The inverse has worked in the past so I don't see why it wouldn't work now

8 Comments

Ralanr3 votes

Their snowball potential would be insane.

xJLx MCHammer2 votes

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Their snowball potential would be insane.

What? If their base damage is low, they need AP

If anything they would be tuned to just scale into late game or mid game and then Fall off (depends on how high the ratios are)

Zero Skill Tank2 votes

This crushes these champs in the support role while not harming them mid.

That's not true. Lowering base damages in favor of scalings hurts you terribly in any sub-optimal scenario. Champions in question already have big trouble keeping up in midlane when enemies have strong jungler, or when assassins are present(except Malz). The problem would get further accentuated with lowered bases, especially since there are only a few heavy AP items left to choose from.

This is not to say that I wouldn't like to see Zyra and Malz GTFO botlane(others less so), but it's not as simple as it seems to do without completely fucking those champions over.

Angelofchaos16x1 votes

Or , revert the MYMU could also work .... I legit played all four as supports long before the MYMU , and they were quite good , while still being playable in the mid lane

chipndip11 votes

Rito wants Zyra in the bot lane though.

EDGE LIGHTSPEED1 votes

Brand was deliberately reworked to be able to play in both roles, I don't think they have a problem with him as a support or where he is right now. Mid lane Brand feels a bit weak, but he's still playable there if he has a decent matchup. If any changes were to be made to AP supports the itemization would probably be the first thing to look at if the whole class was a problem, which I don't feel like it is. Base damage to ratio shifts are probably a secondary solution

ChaddyFantome1 votes

I dont think item 3116 item 3151 combo is too much to worry about with Adaptive helm on its way. Your suggestion would kill the items synergy all together, and its a synergy that Riot really likes.

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