Anyone else sick of this mage bias from balance team?
Mages have literally the highest WR champs in EVERY SINGLE POSITION NOW (now that karthus jungle became a real thing).
DO SOMETHING RIOT, NERFING IRELIA MID will NOT make mages less overpowred.
saltran17 votesAnyone else sick of this mage bias from
balance teamGameplay Boards?
FTFY
OtterlyLost17 votesadcs good in one lane
Boards: omg AdCs so Op!!!1!1 rito nerf pls!!
mages good in every lane
Boards: but you can dodge their skillshots. I see no issue!!
Edit: boards also conveniently ignores that some of the worst offenders(Karthus) have a none dodge able, just activate and it does things to all five members of the enemy team no matter where they are ultimate yeah, I'll just dodge that. Oops. I failed. There goes 3/4ths of my health as a squishy damage dealer even though I have mercs and a hex drinker. Oh well. I'll try again next time. :))))
Who Fed Ru8 votesadcs good in one lane
Boards: omg AdCs so Op!!!1!1 rito nerf pls!!
mages good in every lane
Boards: but you can dodge their skillshots. I see no issue!!
dont forget that AD itemization is better !!!
saltran13 votesSomeone:
Complains about a strong mage
Gameplay Boards
JuSt bUy HeXdRiNkEr LmAo
Who Fed Ru2 votesSomeone:
Gameplay Boards
Gameplay Boards:
Complains about a strong Assassin
Someone:
Just buy Zhonyas lmao
Gameplay Boards:
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE UsElEsS iTeM !!!!11
saltran3 votesMan I just wish I had Stasis on a ad item to buy it on adcs so I can use the item that mage players on the Boards call trash.
Jokes asides it would be too broken, I dont really want that on the game.
The best thing is that they think old Zhonyas was better because it gave 120ap ignoring that it costes 3400g and Stopwatch didn't existed which means that Stasis was behind a 3400g paywall but muh 120ap > 75ap so it was better
AjXtar3 votesIs not just the boards tho. /r/leagueoflegends is pretty much the same. They are also extremely defensive about the mage class and you can only complain about tanks(sion and senju atm), bruisers and assassins. Even supports are off limits.
"Brand is weak because he has skillshots". Apparently having skillshots makes a champion weak. Brand has a long range. His q and w have over 900+ range and that makes him pretty damn safe.
Abibyama II7 votesI thought Riot has bias to ADCs? Or was it support?
OP Garen Support4 votesThis is anti mage post. They don't care about facts.
The very adc mains who were enjoying themselves for 2 years are now crying that their role does not define the whole game anymore.
saltran3 votesOh the Thread is downvoted at the end, we are still under Mages dominion on Gameplay Boards.
OP Garen Support2 votesYou guys don't understand that its the burst meta that holds back adc's and not mages. Boards hate mages as well but they hate ignorant adc players more. When ADC is dominant the rest of the 3 roles feel awful. As we know Riot cant balance anything. Now only botlane is crying, for 3 years the other 3 roles were crying. 3 > 2
by the way the very reason Riot nerfed ADC's was to enable assassins into LCS
They still blatantly favor AD over AP, but instead of ADC being dominant its anyone who can burst. (they did this to buff AD assassins )
They created an assassin support as well so there are more assassins: 
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We need a real tank meta again. Where tank beats mages and assassins, meanwhile adc/juggernauts beats tanks.
I bet riot will fuck up hard again and overbuff the adc role. This shitfest is the result of buffing adc's at season 6 by the way .....
There is still 60% of the playerbase against the adc dominance. The game went downhill since season 5. (the adc buffs)
saltran3 votesBoards hate mages
Man I cant take you seriously anymore, you remember a guy called Colton147 who was always shitposting on the Boards and we all knew that he was a troll so it was fine?
They still blatantly favor AD over AP
It never ends, the tears of mage mains crying about ad bias when they are the ones that have the broken itemization it's only comparable to Jungle mains victim complex after the nerfs last patch to xp.
You are probably clueless to the point that you think that Zhonyas is a terrible item or am I wrong on that ?
Anime Fizz1 votesMan I cant take you seriously anymore, you remember a guy called Colton147 who was always shitposting on the Boards and we all knew that he was a troll so it was fine?
It never ends, the tears of mage mains crying about ad bias when they are the ones that have the broken itemization it's only comparable to Jungle mains victim complex after the nerfs last patch to xp.
You are probably clueless to the point that you think that Zhonyas is a terrible item or am I wrong on that ?
Ive already seen a mage main complain that ludens should give health because "assassins kills mages too quickly in the early game".
And of course, the same charade of "ap items are really weak look at HEXDRINKER omg broken item".
Anime Fizz1 votesOh the Thread is downvoted at the end, we are still under Mages dominion on Gameplay Boards.
We gotta stay strong and fight the power, to free the world boards from the tyranny of the mage mains.
MiracleMorg946 votesRiot doesn't have a mage bias. They have an AD bias though.
And of course, mages have the better winrates because they have BETTER LATE GAMES. That is what they are meant for dude. AD's will never have a better winrate because they are better early than late.
[zombie-brand-facepalm]
boricCentaur14 votesLove that you say mages and not ap then you say only ad it is almost like your disingenuous and know your wrong. Mages have better team fights not late game there is a difference adc is the class that is supposed to have late game on average but there are always outliers and if you want to do ap vs ad well ad have the better scaling champions in every role but mid.
MiracleMorg941 votesUh....hell no. I am 100% right but nice try. Mages have better team fights AND late game. -.-
boricCentaur11 votesYeah being right is the reason you give evidence not because of have none. The mages who have the best lane games would battle mages champions like sol,cass, and vlad most of them are not going to get anywhere close to the late game damage out put compared to a adc since adcs will have more pen, lifesteal and crit that is why when you watch lcs, or people talk about champions being hyper carries most of them are adcs for a reason the only mage hyper carry in the game is vlad and maybe veigar.
MiracleMorg941 votesLooks like someone hasn't learned any game knowledge. I've known this since I've started playing and from what I have seen too. If you look in your games, how many assassins have gotten fed off their ass early, but fallen off late? How many mages started out weak, but got strong late? **Hence AD- early, AP- late. ** Common sense, dude. Goodness.
Mainly this attributes to assassins, as ADCs and some tank types can be more late game. The general rule of thumb, as it is listed here, is : "High base damage, low scalings: early game. Low base damage, high scalings: late game."
boricCentaur11 votesAre you <Removed by Moderation> and think that all ap champions are mages and all ad champions are adcs since I said adcs have better late games then mages and said nothing about assassins and you are also just ignoring what I said too since I give reasons for why adcs have better late games. Also I have seen plenty of ap champions falling off arhi,fizz,akali and many more like them fall off late.
MiracleMorg941 votes[zombie-brand-facepalm]
You apparently can't understand anything I say. And reported for calling me stupid.
I KNOW not all AP are just mages and ADCs are not just all the ADs. Goodness. Of course ADCs do have good late game but I wouldn't say better tha mages.
I was giving assassins as an example of early game ADs. -.-
Ahri doesn't fall off, she's a burst mage. Fizz and Akali are assassins so <> of course they do fall off late.
boricCentaur11 votesIm just to going to use what I said before about why adcs have better lates games then mages. The mages who have the best lane games would battle mages champions like sol,cass, and vlad most of them are not going to get anywhere close to the late game damage out put compared to a adc since adcs will have more pen, lifesteal and crit that is why when you watch lcs, or people talk about champions being hyper carries most of them are adcs for a reason the only mage hyper carry in the game is vlad and maybe veigar.
MiracleMorg941 votes[deleted]
boricCentaur11 votesSo you're just going to ignore my points great. Idk if you know this but burst becomes less useful as the game goes on since there is more healing,shields, protections 
and 
like you know assassins fall off and burst mages apply there damage in the same way the difference is burst mages have utility and assassins have mobility but there damage late is around the same, the mage class with the best late game are battle mages not burst like saying burst mages have the best late game is basically saying assassins have a good late game since again there are similar in damage.
ModEvangele1 votesAre you <Removed by Moderation> and think that all ap champions are mages and all ad champions are adcs since I said adcs have better late games then mages and said nothing about assassins and you are also just ignoring what I said too since I give reasons for why adcs have better late games. Also I have seen plenty of ap champions falling off arhi,fizz,akali and many more like them fall off late.
You apparently can't understand anything I say. And reported for calling me stupid.
I KNOW not all AP are just mages and ADCs are not just all the ADs. Goodness. Of course ADCs do have good late game but I wouldn't say better tha mages.
I was giving assassins as an example of early game ADs. -.-
Ahri doesn't fall off, she's a burst mage. Fizz and Akali are assassins so <> of course they do fall off late.
I'd ask here that both of you tone it down a bit, especially with any name calling and insulting disrespectful language. This includes that of a condescending nature as well.
boricCentaur12 votesO sorry will do.
Jerry SeinfeId9 votesad is for early, ap for late has to be the dumbest shit i've read on these boards today.
MiracleMorg941 votesThe dumbest shit I've heard is this response.
And it's true, mind you. That's how they were created basically from the beginning. Someone looks like they haven't done any research.
Jerry SeinfeId2 votes
etc...
look at all these ap champs.
MiracleMorg941 votesNot all AD are early champs. Good Lord. Talking about mostly assassins here.
Jerry SeinfeId1 votesso your statement is wrong.
MiracleMorg941 votesNope. Nice try though.
Jerry SeinfeId2 votes"not all ad are for early game but ad is for early game"
just going "you're wrong i'm right, nice try tho" to any counterpoint any one offers you isn't discussing anything. <Removed by Moderation>, have a good day.
MiracleMorg941 votes[deleted]
Paroe1 votes<Removed by Moderation>
You keep playing the victim and denying any kind of meaningful discourse. You should really take a step back at this point and evaluate how you interact with people outside your own box.
Ahri is not an assassin, but nice try. Burst mages are different than assassins, not the same thing. If you want proof, here you go:
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list
Youre splitting hairs here in an unreasonable way, beyond the fact that riots sub classes are changed so often and theres enough overlap to make distinctions like "warden", "catcher", and "vanguard" worthless you completely ignore the fact that archetypes exist.
Do you understand what a burst caster is? Im using very specific terms here - burst and caster - to describe to the fullest of my ability a specific kind of champion. Burst meaning "high damage in a rotation" and caster meaning "from abilities" as chubbyemu (a great youtube channel. Check him out! League unrelated.) would say.
Assassin is a less than explicit term referring to any champion with hyper mobility who possesses burst damage. Hyper mobility is defined as the ability to get in and out of a fight on the same or multiple abilities. "Assassin builds" are builds which divers are capable of that allow champions in the diver pool (example; Camille, Aatrox, Vi, gragas, nocturne) to perform the burst aspect of an assassin despite their lack of hyper mobility.
With riots overlapping champion designs and the general vague-ness of their terminology, lets return to Ahri to prove a point. Ahri is a hyper mobile champion. Her ultimate is one of the best mobility tools in the game, on a low CD. Ahri is a burst champion. Her Q, E, W combo is fairly strong and has a low CD. Ahri is a caster. Most of her damage comes from abilities. Ahri is, due to the combination of these three traits, an assassin.
MiracleMorg941 votes[deleted]
Paroe1 votesModerators deleted this post, so im deleting it too!
That... isnt how a public forum works dude. Are you gonna report me for responding to a public forum post, followed by a direct response to something that was directed at me?
Ahri doesn't fall off, she's a burst mage. Fizz and Akali are assassins so <> of course they do fall off late.
I refuted, with logic and reasoning, your claim that Ahri is not an assassin. Truth be told i dont really care what the purpose of your post was, i care about your misinformation and how you try to use it to construct arguments. Ahri doesnt fall off because shes an assassin. Assassins dont fall off because they are safe. As long im refuting quoted claims... Akali falls off against other burst champions due to her lack of hyper mobility making things an arms race. She doesnt actually burst that hard, unlike her peers in Ahri and Fizz, unless she can pop her passive multiple times.
MiracleMorg941 votesI never said that. Stop using dirty tricks and using words that I didn't even say.
That... isnt how a public forum works dude. Are you gonna report me for responding to a public forum post, followed by a direct response to something that was directed at me?
I reported for harassment.
I refuted, with logic and reasoning, your claim that Ahri is not an assassin. Truth be told i dont really care what the purpose of your post was, i care about your misinformation and how you try to use it to construct arguments.
I didn't use any misinformation.
Ahri doesnt fall off because shes an assassin.
Assassins fall off late game. Burst mages don't. Ahri is doesn't fall off late because she's a burst mage.
Assassins dont fall off because they are safe. As long im refuting quoted claims... Akali falls off against other burst champions due to her lack of hyper mobility making things an arms race. She doesnt actually burst that hard, unlike her peers in Ahri and Fizz, unless she can pop her passive multiple times.
Assassins fall of late, that's their trade off for their early game kill potential. It's what they all are about.
Mages have better teamfights, therefore better late games. Assassins have better early games because of better base damages, but have crappy scalings so they don't teamfight well and fall off.
Everyone knows that.
Paroe1 votesI never said that. Stop using dirty tricks and using words that I didn't even say.
Yeah, i changed the quoted section since moderators deleted your original post. Id repost it for relevance, but anyone can see the writing style is different from yours.
I reported for harassment.
Why?
I didn't use any misinformation. Assassins fall off late game. Burst mages don't. Ahri is doesn't fall off late because she's a burst mage. > Assassins fall of late, that's their trade off for their early game kill potential. It's what they all are about.
Your misinformation is your unshakable belief in something that is wrong, which you have now consistently used as your soap box to refute sound arguments. What you are saying in response to me is akin to saying "a square is not a rectangle because it is a square".
I proved, using logic and reasoning, that Ahri is an assassin by utilizing definitions of terms which describe the assassin archetype. Namely, Assassins are burst casters who are hyper mobile. Ahri is a hyper mobile burst caster, ergo she is an assassin.
Mages have better teamfights, therefore better late games. Assassins have better early games because of better base damages, but have crappy scalings so they don't teamfight well and fall off.
Not all mages have better team fights, but many casters have good team fights because of their AoE potential. Assassins, despite the common thought that they dont have good team fights, usually actually do have really decent team fights because of their AoE their ability to extract themselves from combat unless focused.
Assassins have good early games because they are casters and have high base damage with good scaling. They are good in the late game because they can pick and choose priority targets before removing themselves from the fight to wait for their cooldowns. Odd assassins like fizz take more positioning, but are generally just as effective as their peers at all stages of the game.
Everyone knows that.
Knows what? If this were pre-lethality youd actually have a point, because at that time assassins did fall off due to a lack of external damage sources and a lack of AD on their itemization. As weve gained more external damage sources and AD itemization has increased to be comparable to flat AP (way back when AP was generally 1.5 times higher than AD, now its only 1.20 times higher as shown by riots adaptive scaling) assassins have stopped falling off because they do so much damage. Heck, even pantheon the poster child for "falling off" doesnt fall off anymore.
MiracleMorg941 votesYeah, i changed the quoted section since moderators deleted your original post. Id repost it for relevance, but anyone can see the writing style is different from yours.
Why?
Your misinformation is your unshakable belief in something that is wrong, which you have now consistently used as your soap box to refute sound arguments. What you are saying in response to me is akin to saying "a square is not a rectangle because it is a square".
Nice try, but nope. You haven't used any sound arguments.
I proved, using logic and reasoning, that Ahri is an assassin by utilizing definitions of terms which describe the assassin archetype. Namely, Assassins are burst casters who are hyper mobile. Ahri is a hyper mobile burst caster, ergo she is an assassin.
Nope. She's a burst mage because of her mid to long range poke, her hard CC and her damage outburst. I would say because of her mobility to more so put her in a hybrid type sort kind of like how Nidalee is a hybrid artillary of her class. But Ahri is not full assassin.
Not all mages have better team fights, but many casters have good team fights because of their AoE potential. Assassins, despite the common thought that they dont have good team fights, usually actually do have really decent team fights because of their AoE their ability to extract themselves from combat unless focused.
Most mages have better team fights. Assassins don't have good teamfight potential because they only do one thing well, is to find the carry, kill, and get out. They don't have much AOE or utility to keep fighting and they get locked down real quick as well. Their ability to escape is not a team fighting tool in the slightest.
Assassins have good early games because they are casters and have high base damage with good scaling. They are good in the late game because they can pick and choose priority targets before removing themselves from the fight to wait for their cooldowns.
Uh no. They are good early game because they have high base but BAD scaling. They aren't good in the late game for peeling and killing multiple people.
Odd assassins like fizz take more positioning, but are generally just as effective as their peers at all stages of the game.
Knows what?
What I just said...-.- That assassins have better early games and mages have better late.
If this were pre-lethality youd actually have a point, because at that time assassins did fall off due to a lack of external damage sources and a lack of AD on their itemization. As weve gained more external damage sources and AD itemization has increased to be comparable to flat AP (way back when AP was generally 1.5 times higher than AD, now its only 1.20 times higher as shown by riots adaptive scaling) assassins have stopped falling off because they do so much damage. Heck, even pantheon the poster child for "falling off" doesnt fall off anymore.
Wrong. Assassins have not caught up to AP and they still fall off.
Paroe1 votesNice try, but nope. You haven't used any sound arguments.
Nope. She's a burst mage because of her mid to long range poke, her hard CC and her damage outburst. I would say because of her mobility to more so put her in a hybrid type sort kind of like how Nidalee is a hybrid artillary of her class. But Ahri is not full assassin.
Most mages have better team fights. Assassins don't have good teamfight potential because they only do one thing well, is to find the carry, kill, and get out. They don't have much AOE or utility to keep fighting and they get locked down real quick as well. Their ability to escape is not a team fighting tool in the slightest.
Uh no. They are good early game because they have high base but BAD scaling. They aren't good in the late game for peeling and killing multiple people.
What I just said...-.- That assassins have better early games and mages have better late.
Wrong. Assassins have not caught up to AP and they still fall off.
You... really dont understand this whole discussion thing, do you? "nope youre wrong and im right" is not a foundation for a rational argument. Actively denying the opposition even exists is not constructive.
I think ive had quite enough of you now, i hope you learn to stand on the ground with everyone else and not on a soap box in the future. [EDITED: ULANOPO - LET'S NOT BRING POLITICS INTO THIS.]
MiracleMorg941 votesThen you need to read past comments. I've rebutted everything and used arguments as well.
I'm already standing on ground with everyone else. Nice insult though.
MiracleMorg941 votesYou keep playing the victim and denying any kind of meaningful discourse. You should really take a step back at this point and evaluate how you interact with people outside your own box.
Wrong. I'm not the one that needs to take a step back.
I'd appreciate if you not stalk my comments.
Ahri is a burst mage, not an assassin.
Paroe1 votesWrong. I'm not the one that needs to take a step back.
I'd appreciate if you not stalk my comments.
Ahri is a burst mage, not an assassin.
Did you just repost a post moderators deleted?
MiracleMorg941 votesNo, it's quoting your own words. Not the mods post.
ModEvangele1 votes[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BkTcghBw,comment-id=00030002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-01T16:48:47.728+0000)
"not all ad are for early game but ad is for early game"
just going "you're wrong i'm right, nice try tho" to any counterpoint any one offers you isn't discussing anything. <Removed by Moderation>, have a good day.
Hey man, while I understand you feeling some frustrations speaking with other posters, please refrain from any disrespectful engagements, including demeaning or dismissing language. Also I like your FEK....what is it from.....
Paroe1 votes
Wait, FEK is still alive? I thought riot banned FEK after some hoopla with boards?!
Jerry SeinfeId1 votesI understand y'all mean well but i genuinly don't think i crossed the line as (s)he really did become nothing more than a waste of my time at that point. As the rule "don't be a jerk" is very vague and honestly not consistent, example: i've had "TF are you smoking?" removed, in threads where i had something else removed twice, there was a comment that read "what are you on?" which is pretty much the same thing. I'm gonna keep speaking my mind, and if that means something gets removed then so be it.
but also realise that people like this are gonna start showing up more and more as you guys get stricter and stricter. He doesn't care about discussing anything, (s)he calls reports as soon as someone disagrees with him/her.
the FEK/BEK is from one piece, it's one of the movies but i don't exactly recall which one tho. Either way if you type "Brook smoking" or even "Brook 420" you'll probably find it. been using this since skype was still relevant.
ModEvangele1 votes[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BkTcghBw,comment-id=0003000200000000000000000000000000010001,timestamp=2019-02-02T16:21:37.805+0000)
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I understand how you feel and to be honest, what you said didnt necessarily cross the line of the Golden Rule (what you refer to as "dont be a jerk" - which is older termage), but it was close enough that I felt it wasn't actually adding anything to your argumentation and it was meant as a dismissal of person and their opinions. I didn't delete your post, I merely edited because of this fact. Edits have no real standing on your account status and they arent really negatively perceived by moderation viewing posting history. If I thought you had went to far, I would have simply removed the post. Instead I edited and was just merely asking for a little bit less dismissing language in hopes for a thread's tone and structure be kept in tact. I spent time on this thread last night trying to clean up since there are folks here having actual healthy conversations that I want to preserve and not let go to the wayside.
I wasn't trying to upset you, merely asking for a tweak in how we respond to one another here.
Ty for BEK info. <3