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Kassadins 6.15 literally make no sense.

LadyRenly··17 votes·1,834 views

I am by no means a Kass expert, but reading the patch notes before I head out onto the rift, I am really confused as to what they tried to do here.

So I will just get right to it. Riot said exactly this:

"Picking Kassadin requires massive team support to get rolling, but rewards you with high damage and unparalleled mobility for your trouble. At present, however, Kassadin finds himself unable to even show up to lane versus some of the mages he should be favored against. Kassadin’s scaling potential will still be locked behind an uncertain early game, but tossing his lane some love should see more teams reap a return-on-investment for supporting their local Void Walker."

That's Kass as we know it. Dumpster tier early game, and either gets lucky to get ahead, or farms his way there to become a mobile assassin(an assassin having trash-tier bases, why can't other assassins follow his example? but i digress)

So what did they do to him?

"Q - Null Sphere DAMAGE 70/95/120/145/170 ⇒ 65/95/125/155/185"

Um...what? How is that "tossing his lane some love"? That's literally nerfing his early game and putting even more power into later levels, at which the decisive moments of the lane phase vs zed or yasuo will have already been decided. In what world is nerfing an already weak early game considered "tossing his lane some love"?

You have to literally get rank 3 of Q before you break even, and Q is the skill you typically max especially in ranged or bad matchups. I dunno, this change just seems pointless overall. What does the boards think? I am curious as to what the boards think, I don't just want this to be a one way rant.

P.S. I am well aware I made zero mention of the E changes, Kassadin has infinite mana sustain, and usually only runs out when he has his ult unlocked so it's kinda pointless, but it's still a flat buff (yay)unlike the Q "buffs" which are a nerf at first.

21 Comments

Nahui12 votes

Well, it's only a 5 damage hit at level 1, even at level 4, and buffed at level 5 all while he is conserving 20 mana an E so he can use it more aggressively now rather than taking an 80 mana hit.

That's definitely a buff to his laning phase. It doesn't need to be a level one buff, especially since his Q is also gives a shield. But no doubt a laning buff.

Rivuo1 votes

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Well, it's only a 5 damage hit at level 1, even at level 4, and buffed at level 5 all while he is conserving 20 mana an E so he can use it more aggressively now rather than taking an 80 mana hit.

That's definitely a buff to his laning phase. It doesn't need to be a level one buff, especially since his Q is also gives a shield. But no doubt a laning buff.

Problem is his laning phase is already extremely poor. There was no reason to nerf his early game even more. Also that ''5'' damage is nothing.

If you played kassadin vs almost any mid laner you'd know why he's so weak. he has nothing

Quepha5 votes

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Also that ''5'' damage is nothing.

If 5 damage is nothing, then why are you complaining about losing it? The mana cost reduction is a way bigger buff than that would be a nerf.

Rivuo1 votes

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If 5 damage is nothing, then why are you complaining about losing it? The mana cost reduction is a way bigger buff than that would be a nerf.

Taking 5 damage away from a champion who already sucks ass in terms of damage is a lot more than giving a champion 5 damage....

That should be common sense, and i've never ever had mana issues with kassadin regarding his E. His E isnt even fuckin spammable for you to care about mana cost

Anu3isII1 votes

As already mentioned, he has nothing special in the Early Game. When he gets those level 11/16 power spikes, he actually becomes a threat, and gets the crown of the mobility king (in my opinion).

If you don't like the way he works (weak early/powerful late), then don't play him. I personally enjoy him no matter what enemy mid laner I fight, be it Yasuo, Zed with Hexdrinker, long range poke mages and any other champion you want. I will just adapt my play style and build, and I'll make sure my opponent doesn't get ahead of me in terms of gold/kill participation.

Rivuo1 votes

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As already mentioned, he has nothing special in the Early Game. When he gets those level 11/16 power spikes, he actually becomes a threat, and gets the crown of the mobility king (in my opinion).

If you don't like the way he works (weak early/powerful late), then don't play him. I personally enjoy him no matter what enemy mid laner I fight, be it Yasuo, Zed with Hexdrinker, long range poke mages and any other champion you want. I will just adapt my play style and build, and I'll make sure my opponent doesn't get ahead of me in terms of gold/kill participation.

Level 2 rank is at level 4 is where he breaks even then he needs to hit 6.

You can give him the crown of the mobility king ( in your opinion ) But i give him the '' I have a 2% play rate and a 44% flunctuating win rate '' Crown

Anu3isII1 votes

I don't know where you got that win rate... he has an average of 48.34% win rate.

Also , if you would check how well people do that have 125+ games with him , you would be surprised. They have over 55% win rate, and they would abuse him with no problem if he gets buffed.

If you have checked all the data, you would have seen that experienced players with him actually do well, and they don't need any buff. Riot wants to balance the game for every division of the game, and making Kassadin good for anybody will just make him broken in the hands of his masters.

This is the site that I used to get the data : http://champion.gg/champion/Kassadin

Rivuo1 votes

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I don't know where you got that win rate... he has an average of 48.34% win rate.

Also , if you would check how well people do that have 125+ games with him , you would be surprised. They have over 55% win rate, and they would abuse him with no problem if he gets buffed.

If you have checked all the data, you would have seen that experienced players with him actually do well, and they don't need any buff. Riot wants to balance the game for every division of the game, and making Kassadin good for anybody will just make him broken in the hands of his masters.

This is the site that I used to get the data : http://champion.gg/champion/Kassadin

http://www.lolking.net/champions/kassadin#statistics

His win rate fluncutates hard and never for good.

Btw, If a person plays ANY champion for 125+ games they better have over 55% win rate.

Thats such a horrible argument to bring up someone having over 100 games on someone to justify a higher win rate.. please

GULAG 4 U1 votes

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As already mentioned, he has nothing special in the Early Game. When he gets those level 11/16 power spikes, he actually becomes a threat, and gets the crown of the mobility king (in my opinion).

If you don't like the way he works (weak early/powerful late), then don't play him. I personally enjoy him no matter what enemy mid laner I fight, be it Yasuo, Zed with Hexdrinker, long range poke mages and any other champion you want. I will just adapt my play style and build, and I'll make sure my opponent doesn't get ahead of me in terms of gold/kill participation.

Kassadin's mobility was great. when jump was 750. But right now evolved wings on kha'zix is 1200 and with the resets that's... Much better somewhat. One jump is ~4 times the kass blink.

Anu3isII1 votes

Isn't it even at lvl 2 rank and buffed after it (by +5/10/15 damage)?

khorney7 votes

mobility my asss. the range is crap and high mana cost...... lb has 3 times hte mobility with less mana cost

Handin Out Naps7 votes

That's bullshit. Late game Kassadin is the most mobile champion in the game. LeBlanc can use every blink back and forth and flash and still won't outrun kassadin.

Ormylar5 votes

It's designed so you have to keep fighting if you want to keep riftwalking. As long as you keep landing your W on champions, you can keep riftwalking. And a 4 stack Kassadin ult has some really good damage, especially when you can spam it every 2 seconds~

BLACK REALM GOD3 votes

The update seems to be trying to focus on the fact that kassadin players at low level play early game make the mistake of relying too heavily on their spells. Kassadin is about like riven in how you burst back and forth with your basic attack. Many players try to use his Q as if it's nidalees spear. Which it isn't. Kassadins power comes from his W so you have to build mana hybrid basic attack to get those basic attacks in. But most players aren't aware you can build something other than bf sword or deathcap.

GULAG 4 U3 votes

The problem is lategame kass isn't even that good. His full combo fails to delete an adc and it isn't fast (Like kha'zix {isolated}, rengar, zed or talon) and he doesn't scale that hard. He's a hypercarry with meh rations poor base but his ult can stack a lot of times to deal dmg (which isn't possible unless you did boostedfresco's full mana build).

Sire Hippington2 votes

His first 3 levels never were weak, as all 3 spells have high rank 1 damage, but past level 3 he started dropping with a powerspike at 6 vs mostly is relevant vs ranged enemies but has not much impact on other melees. And for post level 3, it's a buff, unless you face a spam heavy champ that makes maxing E actually viable.

100T iLL1 votes

i only put one point into kassadin's Q just to help stack my E faster, and chip away just a little at my opponents health to make them think they are safe.

Then they get hit by my Q W E combo and they die.

The real trick to playing kassadin isn't to poke with E or the shield.

You pretend like you do no damage by poking with Q

and then you go in with E W

Q does not help you farm or sustain in lane in anyway

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

That's favoritism for you. Meanwhile fizz & zed & ekko can spam their mobility just as often as kassadin without the costs, along with yasou & leblanc hardly having any limits at all.

Doppio Vinegar1 votes

They're probably just trying to slowly buff kassadin a bit because they're uncertain how much it will take to break the game. I imagine they don't want him to go back to the way it was in season 3 when he had a 98% ban rate

The Bearded Bard1 votes

I play quite a bit of Kass, I'd consider him to be in my top 5 best champions, and while his early game definitely isn't the best, it's not unbearably bad. You can still farm safely and effectively under tower, and you can still outlast most opponents just by grabbing a corrupting potion as your first item and running the potions mastery.

By early game buff, I think they meant the lessened mana cost on E. I could have done without the Q changes, but he'll be fine regardless.

BloodyTompon1 votes

That's power neutral at lvl 3 or 4 (assuming q max first). From there it's only positive. I'd say that's reasonably early game focused.

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