Assassins have too much of an easy time getting to a carry

Akali is SO HOT·Dec 19, 2016·164 votes·7,475 views

Let's say you have Lucian and his support is Lulu. Here is a short list of everything the Assassin needs to get through to get to Lucian: -Glitterlance's 80% slow -Whimsy's 2.25 second disable -Pix shield on Lucian -Wild Growth that provides Lucian with a ton of free health and a knockup -Locket's shield -Redemption -Frost Queen's Claim's active slow -Lucian's very low cooldown dash -Lucian's speed boost from his W -Bloodthirster's shield -Guardian Angel -If he bought it, Maw's shield against AP Assassins -Lucian gaining 100k health from lifesteal per auto attack -Lucian's Heal -Lucian's Flash -Exhaust

I think there needs to be a class update that makes it harder for Assassins to do this. It's only fair considering the class they go after for kills has almost no way to survive against them.

206 Comments

DracocrashDec 19, 201690 votes

I'm not sure if you are sarcastic, because there are ACTUALLY people who still believe akali,fizz,zed are op right now.

TheOnlyJoeDec 19, 201611 votes

Idk about you but Fizz is pretty OP Akali and Zed not so much

MissingKayoDec 19, 201636 votes

Excuse me while I go suffocate from laughter.

GULAG 4 UDec 19, 201626 votes

it's just his ult hitbox. otherwise he's pretty meh.

IcyPepperDec 19, 201643 votes

God, for once in my life I actually feel sorry for the assassin class and wish supports and marksman didn't shit on them so hard.

Yeah, I used to be biased, but this is so bad I've gotten rid of it.

Cosmic WarperDec 19, 201614 votes

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God, for once in my life I actually feel sorry for the assassin class and wish supports and marksman didn't shit on them so hard.

Yeah, I used to be biased, but this is so bad I've gotten rid of it.

:/

It's because most assassins have longer kill times now so you aren't getting one shot in ~1s, now it's more like 2-2.5 if no one is shielding or healing you, or they're not getting exhausted.

IcyPepperDec 19, 201616 votes

I main support, and during the time of year I'm mostly active in the game I... well, support mains in general know how to counter assassins. It's part of our job description. Considering most of us know how to do it well before all the itemization changes of this season...

We're starting to do it too well.

Assassins have gotten a few items to help, but not all of those items work on every assassin. Maybe they just need one more push to make them better counter for adc's. Perhaps an item with an active that can penetrate shields, or an item passive that delays cc (so you experience the cc, but seconds after actually being inflicted with it? Open that window of opportunity!).

A LiberalDec 19, 201620 votes

Katarina / Leblanc : "Err, what items did we get"? Zed : "You have item 3285 you don't need anything!!"

TyrekGoldenspearDec 19, 201614 votes

Anyone think just giving Assassins silences would fix so many problems?

RalanrDec 19, 201650 votes

Leblanc: Oh definitely. Talon: Agreed. Kassadin: Please! MY MOTHER WON'T SHUT UP!

PhozzDec 19, 20162 votes

Man, I miss silence so much.

Linna ExcelDec 20, 20165 votes

Me too but I think that effect was so quiet riot forgot about it.

ZmuecatDec 19, 20166 votes

If your goal was for Assassins to kill supports, sure.

Silencing an ADC won't stop him from life stealing off you, or Lulu from launching all her CC at you.

NineTailedMysticDec 20, 20167 votes

PLEASE NO

Irelia BotDec 20, 20165 votes

RETURN LEBLANC'S SIGIL OF SILENCE!!!!!!

NineTailedMysticDec 20, 20168 votes

http://i.imgur.com/c4f4WGp.gifv?noredirect

Irelia BotDec 20, 20165 votes

YES YES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

Ionian VulpixDec 19, 201614 votes

I understand the frustration of assassins not being able to do their job, but you seem to forget that the supports are players too, with the specific job of stopping you from doing your job. If you can't kill the adc because of the support, stop focusing the adc and kill the support. Enchanter supports are some of the highest priority targets tbh. There's a reason there's a protect the healer mindset in a lot of other games. Keep the one keeping you alive.

bony whimsarkDec 20, 20167 votes

"fking brain dead assasin blowing all cooldowns and focusing support while cait kills us all smh"

RookPusherDec 19, 201612 votes

You picked the biggest assassin counter in the game as an example of how hard assassins have it?

Come on, man. How dumb do we look?

Akali is SO HOTDec 19, 201634 votes

Every support is the biggest assassin counter in the game. I could make a long list for every support if I wanted to, but I chose Lulu.

RookPusherDec 19, 201610 votes

Mmmm, Lulu's kit is pretty brutal. Shields, slows, a knockup, a polymorph. Most supports don't have that much denial.

PiVoRxDec 19, 201632 votes

Janna

HyperiönDec 19, 20167 votes

Janna Ult, Thresh hook/ult/flay, Nami bubble/ult/heal/MS boost Karma massive shield, MS burst, a tether. Sona healbot, Ms boost, dmg reduction. Ult. Bard ult, tunnel, stun. Zyra snare, knockup, slows

Need I go on?

DracocrashDec 19, 201610 votes

Stares at janna

A LiberalDec 19, 201628 votes

Soraka Heals, Slows, SIlences (And a root, but it's pretty moot) Janna Heals, Knockups, Knockbacks, Shield, Slow Sona Shield, Heal, DMG reduction, Stun, Slow, Can probably oneshot you mid game Bard Stuns, Speed Boost, Heal, Stasis, Magical Journey Karma Slow, Root, Shield, Speed Boost Leona Stun, Stun, Stun, Slow, Fuck this Character Blitzcrank Knockup, Fucking grab me by the pussy, Silence Lux Shield, Stun, Slow Morgana CC Shield, Magic Shield, Stun, Root Nami Heal, Knockup, Speed Boost, Slow, Knockup Nautilus Stun, Root, Slow, Knockup Taric Invincibility, Heal, Shield, Stun TahmKench Slow, Will literally just eat the ADC and walk away. Zilean Resurrect, Slow, Stun, Speed boost Zyra Slow, Root, Knockup

This isn't including item 3107 item 3174 item 3190 item 3504 item 3109 item 3222 item 3800 item 3097 item 3069 item 3092

OyddAWqJ5rDec 19, 201617 votes

Alistar item 3070

A LiberalDec 19, 20164 votes

Dont forget every utility mid ever, and most toplaners.

SpoofghoulDec 19, 201611 votes

PS you forgot the piles of lifesteal allowing for 1/4 to 1/3 of health healing per hit

Now imagine how it is for other classes who do not have the burst or the mobility

Now imagine if we buffed assassins so they can reliably get through all the bullshit you listed

Now imagine how that would be for the other classes

Basically whenever a particular class gets buffed that they can reliably get through all that bullshit they instantly become monumentally broken for all the other classes to deal with

Just give that a thought and then realize where the actual problems lie with most of league's balance issues

RalanrDec 19, 20166 votes

So...nerf supports and lifesteal?

SpoofghoulDec 19, 201611 votes

well i would start with lifesteal

we need more supports because queue times

so it's probably a better idea to nerf the adc side of the equation

A LiberalDec 19, 201611 votes

Lifesteal is pretty toxic IMO, item 3812 and item 3146 should be the only dmg=hp items. A weakness of the marksman class should be low survivability, and life steal makes that impossible. An ADC should not be able to go from 10% hp to 100% faster than DrMundo

ArakadiaDec 20, 201611 votes

To be honest this post is pretty biased. Its talking about a real problem though.

Your listing a terrible build (Maw, BA, and BT will give you 0 damage against tanks and minimal crit), late game numbers, exaggerations, and assuming that ALL these abilities are up. Additionally, your using a bot lane duo that is exceptionally good against Assassins. Kog'Maw isn't going to be this safe with a Sona too.

Finally, your forgetting that Assassins will be doing butt loads of damage if they get it off. And you didn't list even one assassin's strength. And please don't just downvote me, I get that Assassins aren't doing so hot.

EROTIC RAID BOSSDec 20, 20166 votes

it not like assassins are really bad, I think people just expected a meta where they were OP

JbelsDec 19, 201610 votes

Buff tanks while you're at it, ADCs shouldn't be allowed to kill tanks, ever. Wtf is this? A balanced game?

DracocrashDec 19, 20165 votes

NVM IM DUMB.

RalanrDec 19, 20165 votes

You're not getting the joke.

HazyCloud7Dec 19, 20169 votes

So true. When in the world are they going to nerf exhaust/redemption/locket already...

LordSirChipmunkDec 19, 20169 votes

In a perfect world, the support and the ADC are in perfect sync and they are easily able to kill the assassin. In an even better world, there is a tank and a few other people in the way, too.

Let's just be honest here: assassins aren't that strong right now. Fun? Yes. Good? Don't make me laugh. I'm not sure what to think about this post, but everyone should keep in mind that assassins tend to have lower win rates due to their feast-or-famine nature, and lack of reliability. The exception to this, in my opinion, is Ekko, but he can be more of an AP bruiser at times.

Penta PenguinDec 19, 20168 votes

Aren't assassins supposed to be opportunistic clean-up crew? Why are you the first one trying to engage on the carry in a team-fight, especially mid-late game when GAs are up?

PiVoRxDec 20, 20164 votes

So assassin is supposted to wait behind and watch how his team is trying to 4v5? Any damage champion can do clean ups, if its all assassins can do, then theres no point in using any.

Leblancs BoobDec 20, 20167 votes

summoner 3 This shit blocks assassinations like nothing else in the game. The damage reduction needs to be spread out to its other stat reductions.

ZerenzaDec 20, 20167 votes

The assassin update did pretty good with changes to most champions kit's, updating them (sorry Akali don't worry your in line for a rework soon) but the main issue it didn't address was the crucial fact that Assassins weren't actually broken. They were built to counter the unstoppable force of ADC's who, if something isn't there to keep them in check, will just steam roll every one else. But because ADC's can't stand when a 8/0/0 Akali one shots them, they nerfed every assassins ability to burst then buffed the supports and tanks alongside it without giving the assassins any compensation in itemization or mastery changes.

Roughly eliminating the assassin class as a whole.

juju adventuresDec 20, 20166 votes

I wish I could upvote this a million times. As an Akali main, exhaust itself makes it probably 3 times harder to kill someone. I go mid lane akali --> enemy midlaner takes exhaust every time --> enemy support also has exhaust --> 2 exhaust to deal with, meaning almost 0 team fights where I can fight without getting exhausted and diving to my death. lul