"Rito forces a 50% w/r and puts inters and trolls into my games if I'm on a win streak"

Disembark··18 votes·4,339 views

Then how do you explain this:

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=buff+jng

Where are the inters/trolls that riot stuffs into your games? Even a challenger player can't carry an ACTUAL inter or a troll most of the time (someone who actually runs down mid). OR are you ready to admit that your mentality and probably the things you say in chat CAUSE more inters and trolls?

Or maybe dying twice in lane ISN'T INTING OR TROLLING and if you get your head out of your ass and KEEP TRYING you'd win more games?

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z63XnLCMwX8 votes

So you take one outlier of the set of data and downvote anyone who point out said outlier. (✿◡‿◡)

GayFluffyUnicorn3 votes

He also fails to mention he is not just solo carrying through the ranks but has a riven otp as premade, a champ who 1v5s all day long if you can snowball and wait what does he play? OH YEAH HE PLAYS JUNGLE. Give me a challenger jungle duo mate and i'd be atleast low master in a week.

Quepha1 votes

People claiming there is a "forced 50" NEVER submit proper statistical data. They ALWAYS refer to very limited anecdotal evidence that often doesn't even support their claim.

Spacesuit Spiff5 votes

A ladder system causes a 50% winrate if you play enough. Sooner or later you climb enough that you cant control the game more than the other 9 can, and you're at the mercy of whoever ints or trolls.

One year I had a 100% winrate on Vi if you just looked at my silver games (got placed in s5, stomped 25ish games to hit gold). My winrate went down as i climbed back to diamond, not because of a malicious system but because I wasn't stomping silvers anymore.

You cant sustain a high winrate over many games unless youre improving at the game more rapidly than people usually do.

9Wly9oMl022 votes

A ladder system causes a 50% winrate if you play enough. Sooner or later you climb enough that you cant control the game more than the other 9 can, and you're at the mercy of whoever ints or trolls.

This is what people complain about lol. Games they feel like they can win because they're better than the enemy, but have 2 people on their team yoloing and they lose.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

That is true but for real now, high plat/low dia is saturated with boosted monkeys from dynamic Q. For just a few losses you suffer harsh mmr penalty in dia (ofc not in plat, there you can be in your dia 5 promos playing with dia 4s with a 45% winrate) which tilts players, makes it an unnecessarily hard grind fest and ultimately nigh impossible to get out of if you are only above the average player in your team. You have a few games you pubstomp those boosted monkeys and think you are playing against silvers and then you get them on your team, mix in autofill and you get an absolutely awful game quality which is why i inted my way three times this season back to plat 1 and 2 after a loss streak in my dia 3 promos. Before i started playing seriously again the last few games, i had 5 actual afk/trolls in just 20 games. I can't remember ever having so many trolls and ragequitters in low elo like i have now in higher elos.

Starcraft243ver4 votes

HE WAS LUCKY AND ONLY PLAYS META FLAVOR OF THE MONTH OTP BROKEN CHAMPIONS AND HE IS ONLY PLAYING DUO WITH HIS FRIEND IF HE WAS ALONE HE WOULD BE BRONZE OMGOMG

Rexxiee3 votes

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HE WAS LUCKY AND ONLY PLAYS META FLAVOR OF THE MONTH OTP BROKEN CHAMPIONS AND HE IS ONLY PLAYING DUO WITH HIS FRIEND IF HE WAS ALONE HE WOULD BE BRONZE OMGOMG

To be honest 2 challengers duoing pretty much kind of impossible to lose.

If it just 1 he would have a bit more loses.

TheJakeinator4 votes

He's an LCS smurf playing in Diamond though. Hardly comparable. I do agree with your point though

Starcraft243ver5 votes

Being a lcs smurf is not some kind of black magic, it requires trainning and hard work.

Some people here come and claim it is "Totaly impossible to climb if you are not lucky."

TheJakeinator3 votes

It does require a small amount of luck. Its about 80 percent skill 20 percent luck

Starcraft243ver2 votes

Nope. Proof in OP

TheJakeinator10 votes

One person in Diamond 1 is your proof? Pass the Joint fam

FioraWillCarry3 votes

Uhhh. Bro you have that wrong. It's 20% skill, 80% luck.

9Wly9oMl022 votes

Some people here come and claim it is "Totaly impossible to climb if you are not lucky."

I don't think many people say it's impossible for a very high ranked smurf to carry games. The problem arises from people of relatively the same elo CANNOT single carry games. The majority of games are decided by who gets the trolls on their team.

Starcraft243ver1 votes

That's not a matter of "same elo".

That's a matter of knowing how to properly snowball a game, or not knowing it.

If you kill 28 time your toplaner and took 2 tower that's cool. That's even soft carying, but that's not HARD carying.

If you manage to be everywhere in the map, controling how lanes push, be at the right place to counter gank. Stole the buffs be there when there's a good wave to towerdive and take the tower, then you hard carried.

9Wly9oMl021 votes

Except it is a matter of the same elo. Because there becomes an elo in which you cannot beat your laner badly enough so that you can roam and help your 0-3 mid laner by 8 mins. So sure, a gold player might be able to do those things in bronze, but not in gold. So while he can be winning all his lanes, he can't do much about getting shitty teams.

"elo hell" isn't a specific elo. It's whatever elo YOU are able to constantly win lanes but cannot carry games. This leads to frustrations because you feel like you should be winning, but if you don't get a competent team, you cannot carry. Then games become more about who gets less trolls playing a champ for the first time.

Starcraft243ver1 votes

If you think you should be winning because you won your lane you'd better play Aram or an FPS because that's not what league is about.

League is about killing a fracking nexus. THE ONLY REQUIRED CONDITIONS TO WIN ARE : Kill 5 towers in a lane. The inib. The nexus. (or having ennemy team to surrender).

Nothing else.

By the way I can pick a lane bully everytime and think "omg I consistently win my lane but i dont win a lot of games wtf dudes".

Oh you beat malphite as teemo in lane ? HOW IMPRESSIVE. But his TP botlane are much scarier and effective and he'll be a nightmare in teamfights.

9Wly9oMl021 votes

Never said that's the only criteria for winning. But it certainly is one of them. If everyone wins lanes, you're able to more consistently apply pressure and take objectives. Compared to the guy that's 0-4 by 9 mins. And you're up in cs and kills on bot lane but the enemy Zed with 4 kills just walks up and kills you under tower like you're a cannon minion.

Point is that the elo system assesses your ability to solo carry 4 hurr durrs. If you cannot, then you will not consistently climb. Which leads to frustration when you're better than the people you're playing with/against, but have to rely on randoms to help you win. Randoms playing the newly released champion for the first time ever and doing it in a ranked game.

Disembark6 votes

He's never been in the LCS. He's always just played SoloQ. Actually you'll see people that aren't LCS and are "SoloQ prodigy's" like Tarzaned or Dopa will actually do better than LCS players IN soloQ, because they're always part of the fiesta and haven't gotten used to comms.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Yeah and he plays with a duo mate. huehue. Give me a challenger/master duo mate and i get master in a week.

xJLx MCHammer3 votes

Too many people thinking dying 1-2 times if feeding. It irks me soo much

However, I do run into the 0/10/2 by 14 minutes type of players. Those do piss me off because I'm not good enough to carry those people.

DemainaNyx1 votes

I've said this before but I blame that on streamers who say stuff like, "Oh, I'm inting" when they get a gank and it gets counter ganked and both die. Or they base, their enemy laner roams, and gets a kill in another lane and they say, "Feeding my lane?". The streamer may not even believe that they are truly inting/feeding, but they either do it as a joke or because in high elo, those few deaths can be the end of the game.

KoggyStyle1 votes

not even my bronze ass can pull off that many deaths by 14 mins wth..... at my worst id be 1/6/1 78 or so cs by then XD

nice table3 votes

its a lot easier to climb on a smurf and riot doesn't give them the same treatment as main accounts that go on winning streaks.

T: someone with a smurf in d3 while main is hardstuck in plat

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Yup, i actually tried it. Got to plat 1 on my smurf with 70% winrate (to be fair i played a lot of champs i usually never played like ryze and jayce for practice) and at the same time i was stuck at the beginning of the season on my main in plat 5 for 50 games +.

Disembark1 votes

Or maybe its because you're not tilting because you don't care as much about your rank. I had a "smurf" that I got to gold but then I started treating this account like my smurf and started caring about that accounts rank. Within a week I dropped out of gold while I started to climb on this account.

dominusx2 votes

Me as a mid/high diamond toplane/jungle player have carried AFKS/INTERS many times in lower tier soloque simply because bu the time they are dead i'm 4 lvls ahead of my counterpart and instagib anyone. Now take a guy who was rank 1 on NA with 1300LP and compare him to a guy like me who is hardstuck d3-d2. its 1500lp skill difference i think he wont have aproblem carrying them.+ He instantly dodges trolls and plays off stream aswell so you dont know how many times he dodges per day. Even the 10lp dodge is good when ypu are playing on extremenly high winrate accounts and i myself when i playd in euw with 70% winrate i dodged even on the 10lp penalnty before my ban for int feeding.

Now i'm not saying elo hell is a thing its just the low elo excuse but the 50% winrate is indeed enforced to non smurf players who simply improve over time and dont suddently jump into mmr that they are 3000lp above for the last 3-4 years.

And yes its enforced my mains have always been around 50 to 57% winrate at the end of the season meanwhile my smurfs have been around 60 to 80% simply cause i played less games on them with fresh mmr to skip plat divisions instantly with 30lp per win and skipping promotionals all together who 90% of the time are litterally rigged against you. This is why i've quit climbing and i only play for inactivty and just play on random low elo accs for the hell of it.

If you wanna see proof of me beeing diamond i play on RazoRx and WDx those are the two accounts i can link the one is 54% winrate the other is 75% or something.

Disembark1 votes

95% of your games won't have inters or trolls though in low elo. Not just from stats but also from personal experience from accounts between Silver 5 and Gold 1.

The rest of those games you can carry your god damn self if you're good enough. Riot doesn't enforce anything, you just get unlucky with inters and trolls, but DON'T ACT LIKE the enemy team NEVER has inters or trolls either. Both sides theoretically cancel out - but people don't see it that way. They think "even if they didn't have an inter, we'd win anyways", but think "if we didn't have an inter, we'd win".

Also people in low elo think "dying twice in lane" = inting. They probably cry about it and instantly give up - costing them a lot more games than actual inters/afkers. We also suck in this elo so there's no way to carry besides running down 5v5 mid lane and ofc if you have a feeder that never gonna work if you don't play around your comp.

dominusx2 votes

90% of promos games aka 20% of overall games usually are troll filled.

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

low elo . . . your comp

Low elo comps are generally a crap-shoot from what I can tell. You're lucky if even half the team has any synergy.

SUPERMOVA1 votes

"mid/high diamond" boy ur plat 5 in EUNE lmao

dominusx1 votes

i'm not plat 5. this is my boards posting acc its banned in game. and i had 70% winrate in euw d5 a year or so ago.

option paralysis2 votes

Thats just one dude amongst millions of players. Idk how the actual fuck does he do it tho. Im fascinated by these players man. 59 wins and 1 loss, its insane. You gotta wonder how fucking bad his teammates were in that 1 loss. LOL

Pippen The Short2 votes

You do have to consider, the worse the player the less likely it is that they possess the patience, skill, and knowledge to carry their team out of a losing proposition. It is also more likely that you will be paired with people who do not know what they are doing and make the game harder.

Scary Door2 votes

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OR are you ready to admit that your mentality and probably the things you say in chat CAUSE more inters and trolls?

Are you really blaming the victims and/or trying to justify someone intentionally feeding?

"He ran it down mid because you pissed him off!" Is that really what you're saying here?

My experience, for what it's worth, is that when I get into my promos I have a higher chance of seeing an intentional feeder or troll (Blitzcrank mid, Janna top, Sona Jungle) than I do normally, in Season 4 I actually wrote a log of about 120 games and in at least half of the promo series I'd have something like "Played Mordekeiser, went 9/2/13 had 288 cs, unfortunately we had a Teemo jungle and a first time Draven top who went 0/14 against Darius, loss"

Sure it's anecdotal to some degree, but I can only account for MY EXPERIENCES, and that's really all I care about in terms of my reaction to this game, because even if harassment only occurs in less than 1% of games people play, if they happen to me at a 40% rate that's all I am going to know. Understand?

Disembark1 votes

So when your mid lane states: "give me third blue please" and then you respond "stfu idiot you'll probably feed it" and then they start inting.

Happens all the time, and those people feel "like the victims" whereas if they weren't douchebags they wouldn't receive douchebags.

Its a psychological principle of reciprocity. If you are kind to others they will in turn be kind to you. Someone who ints regularly is much much more likely to int if you're a dickwad in game. I'm NOT saying that YOU ARE, but a lot of people I've seen are just huge dickwads and then are like "wow why did this guy start inting".

Whenever I say either nothing in chat or make pleasant conversation about skins or something I legit have never had a troll, but when I say shit like "dude wtf why didn't you use exhaust whats wrong with ur brain" instantly makes my chances of winning a lot less.

Penns1 votes

Jungle weakest role cant carry 4head

dominusx2 votes

rank 1 jungler vs gold diamond and plats? ofc he gonna have hgih winrate...bruh.... he is playing vs shitters compared to him he winrate will drop hard af in less than a month when he gets to master/chall

FioraWillCarry1 votes

Wow that guy hit one hell of a lucky streak. With millions of people playing this game the chances that one person gets that lucky is actually not that strange. It could happen to any one of us. If we got 50 games in a row with good teams, any one of use would be Diamond.

If the point of this thread was so point out that luck is not a factor in climbing, I for one will never ever accept that. I 100% believe that guy got lucky. You guys should see the garbage I get almost every game. No amount of skill can carry such trash.

Disembark1 votes

You're literally bronze 4. He could carry anything under gold 1 without even using his brain. Diamond players are like bronze players to him.

Wtf are you saying. He'd be 20/0 within the first 15 min and force a surrender. He'd know exactly where the enemy Jg is at all times, countergank or simply kill them in their JG by PRESSING TAB, looking at the paths they took, seeing how low they are with vision control/know because experience with champs clearing, and then just kill them. Take their stuff. Dive some lanes, do some rotations and take turrets.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

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You're literally bronze 4.

I'm Bronze 4 because of trash teams.

He could carry anything under gold 1 without even using his brain. Diamond players are like bronze players to him.

I used to believe shit like this. How naive I was. This game is more luck than anything. Whoever has the least idiots on a team wins.

Wtf are you saying. He'd be 20/0 within the first 15 min and force a surrender. He'd know exactly where the enemy Jg is at all times, countergank or simply kill them in their JG by PRESSING TAB, ? looking at the paths they took, seeing how low they are with vision control/know because experience with champs clearing, and then just kill them. Take their stuff. Dive some lanes, do some rotations and take turrets.

All that counts for nothing if you have a bot lane that feeds double kills in the time it takes for you to move from your Gromp to your Blue while your ADC is calling for reports on his support and your mid laner is raging at bot lane for feeding. Way I see it, this dude got lucky. I had something like a 15 game win steak with a couple losses sprinkled in a few weeks back. My match history looked just like his, high KDA/CS and all. But my luck ran out and kept getting the worst trash imaginable. Fell from B1 to B5 in the blink of an eye. Luck is the biggest factor in this game. I'm sorry but that's what I've come to believe.

Disembark1 votes

If I put your ass in a plat elo game today you'd feed your ass off guarunteed.

"Trash Teams". Lol. So then why do people who make smurfs consistently get back to the top even though they have to play through silvers at the start. Why don't the "trash teams" hold them back.

I'm guessing you're just a troll/baiting so w.e.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

Actually, I have played at that level before. Remember when FlexQ came out ? Before they ironed out all the kinks, I got placed rather high. I managed to play a few "high elo" games before they fixed the placement problems and reseeded everybody to an elo more in line with their SoloQ elo.

Anyways, I saw the same exact trash I see in Bronze. I remember one game where I was top lane as Nasus against a Diamond 5 Heimerdinger. I checked out everyone before the game started so I knew the ranks of the players in the game before hand. Players ranged from mid Gold to Diamond. I expected as you said, to feed my ass off. I handily won the lane instead. I remember thinking that it was no different to playing in my own elo. I expected to get stomped hard in lane but I was able to win it instead despite being at a severe disadvantage in terms of match up. The rest of the game went as I have commonly seen in my elo, a fuckin feed fest, though I had the better team that game so it was the enemy team feeding their ass off.

What made me remember this particular game was what I found when I examined the players' ranks more closely after we stomped their shit. Our team had like 2 Gold players and 2 Platinum players and me as a SIlver player(I was Silver most of last season). Their team had a Diamond and the rest were high Platinum players. It opened my eyes. They were by far the better team. They should have stomped us hard.

This whole thing is bullshit and rank means very little. It's is a coin toss. This whole game is designed to be a coin toss. Anyone can win at any time and no one player can control this outcome. If you're meant to lose a game, you will lose it despite what you do. You will even win games despite what you do. I remember one time a guy banned my pick because he didn't like it. I locked in a troll pick and proceeded to do everything I can to throw the game. We still won despite my every effort to throw the game and make that asshole lose LP.

So then why do people who make smurfs consistently get back to the top even though they have to play through silvers at the start.

I actually have my own theories on that. But I won't get into that here because that will be long. A subject for it's own thread. Basically, I think the whole thing is rigged as part something bigger and deeply psychological. I have watched a number of Unranked to Diamond series in past couple years to try and figure out what high elo players were doing. And while yes, I did learn quite a few tricks, they were nothing spectacular. Hell some of the shit, I already figured out on my own. What struck my was that these guys didn't do awesome in lane every game, getting fed and stomping. These guys were going like 3-5 and shit just like me but they were climbing. They were making a lot of the same mistakes I would make. There was nothing spectacular about the way they were playing. I couldn't figure it out. Until after a while I realized that they got good teams most of their games. These guys were getting carried most of their games. This is what made me suspect that there is something up. Like I said, I have a bold theory on that as well. "Why would Riot design it this way?", was the question I began asking. But like I said, I won't get into details about that here.

Well this leaves one question.....why do I still play after realizing this ? Well, shit....the game is still fun. I don't concern myself anymore with climbing. If the matchmaker wants me to climb it will let me, if not, that's fine too. I'm still having fun. League for all it's flaws is still a fun game.

Disembark1 votes

They "get carried" because they enable their team to carry. Whether it be through vision control, pinging location of enemy champs, not baiting their team into bad situations or simply winning lane they enable their team mates free reign over the rest of the map.

Winning lane against a diamond heimer (I'm guessing he wasn't a heimer or a top main) means nothing - diamonds can play worse than bronzes and bronzes can play better than diamonds. Its the CONSISTENCY of your play that ranks you up.

Honestly, you're just delusional. You're making up conspiracy theories on why a gaming company who doesn't know you exist has targeted you to be stuck in bronze. Lol.

OH YEAH, also explain how do boosting services work then? How does a diamond player manage to BOOST other people's ELO if the game is 100% luck and they're no better than a bronze? Hm? Do the boosters just get lucky every time? Hmm? Maybe Rito has facial recognition and only people with certain faces get placed in challenger.

lmao

Meep Man1 votes

I agree, but where did you find this guy?

Dianna Leveret1 votes

I agree that Riot forces you to be around 50% win rate, if you are an everyday player and not some ''lcs smurf'' . The moment i get around 53-54 % win rate, my teams just get increasingly bad. And me as support main am just forced to see them go 0/6 in lane at 5th minute.. or jungler coming at bot tower diving and giving enemy adc a free kill.. So many examples. I am not challenger material and barely made it to plat myself, so i probably belong here, but come on, some games were totally unwinnable OR totally winnable if 2 -3 kids didn't start flaming eachother and throwing the game after a huge lead. The egos of some players is what makes them lose. Getting reported and then forcefully put in a 'fast climbing' player team in order for him to be slowed down. But the game overall feels in a terrible balance shape.. Games are decided in champ select and teams with more cc and early cheese potential usually win. So 50% win rate i think is just an illusion. Many losses are not because one team played badly or fed, but because their champs weren't able to compete with the enemy wombo combo teams.

AbL1R1 votes

Truth is you're 100% correct. Games are predetermined. Riot is using some kind of algorithm to keep you around 50% win/lose ratio and this is why it pairs you teemates who can carry you and then after a while it gives you teammates that are uncarriable in order to maintain that balance. The same thing is used by Fifa ( its called momentum) once you start winning your players suddenly become uncontrollable. With league its a little bit different because it's implemented not into the gameplay itself but into the matchmaking where it just collects data and lower your chances of winning to minimum. This specific thing we talk about is there because if it didn't exist all bad players would quit just after a month or so, they wouldn't be able to win games at all and riot would lose money.You know if you win you keep playing because you're getting addicted, if you lose game after game after game eventually you give up,quit and they lose money. The problem with league is unlike fifa's momentum, it's hidden and you can't actually see it. I believe they even buffed that matchmaking system in some way because i remember before when i was smuring it was a lot easier to carry games while now as high diamond i can struggle even in gold elo games.

Çhåryzård1 votes

Well I mean every time I've won a game or two recently I've noticed the next few games I have teammates that play horribly so I end up losing a couple games.

I'll have a game with amazing teammates, and then next game the mid feeds the enemy katarina 10 kills and our yi jungle dies lvl 2 and thinks he can 1v3 the enemy team every fight just because he's yi.

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