Because last night I just played a game as Ziggs and used my spells a ton in lane to zone out the enemy and push the tower. However, I only ran OOM when the enemy was ata point to where they had to back themselves because even a few of my basic attacks could kill them. I won that game.
So, who is actually constantly running out of mana this patch when I can play Ziggs, zone heavily with tons of spells, and only run OOM when the enemy is dead or about to be?
Bobloser35553 votesI run out of mana with Cassio and Swain.
Meep Man2 votesHow so with Swain with his passive? You have triple Doran's Rings from the start? Only way I see is if you leave his ult on for unneeded time.
Also, what were you doung with Cass to go OOM? Im talking specifics here. How often were you using your abilities and were you able to push the enemy out of the lane before or when you wnt OOM?
Bobloser35553 votesTripple dorans? No, I dont buy 3 doran rings because I need the space for other items. Are you talking about Aram?
With Swain you run out of mana if a fight takes too long. With Cassio I ran out against Tryndamere top before I could kill him because he had magic resistance and Cassio does not do the damage anymore :(
Meep Man3 votesNo, I was talking about Swain's passive essentially being 3 Doran's Rings. Sorry for the misinterpretation. Anyways, I don't usually run out of mana for Swain if I get 
and 
, not to mention both help him defensively a lot.
Swain is also a tiny bit underpowered right now, so it's understandable. Cass is apparently, according to Riot, a little weaker as well. Both of these issues should be getting fixed a little.
Bobloser35551 votesI see what you mean, well I often only buy Rod of Ages and Frozen Heart for Swain in terms of mana, I think Seraphs does not augment Swain too well.
Glad to hear that they will get buffed, Swains early is really weak, he used to deal decent damage early game, now almost none. Cassios ap ratio is just really bad now, she used to make up for it with her passive.
Njallum3 votesI actually ran out of mana on Malzahar, was an interesting experience. His E doesn't restore as much mana as it used to anymore, unfortunately, at least not early. His mana costs are fairly high as well.
lightdragoon882 votes
easily gives him pretty much infinite mana
agbudar1 votesyea but its basically the same as it used to be get 1 item and your fine again. nothing really changed
and yes i changed my build on malz from 
to to acomodate for the loss of mana regen
lilpokfluf1 votesI think people are still messing around with the builds but I kind of got the feeling that riot wanted former grail users to build archangel and morellonomicon to make up for the mana changes
Meep Man1 votesI built neither Tear or Morello in that game. I got a Lich Bane and two Doran's Rings, set for the laning phase and was still able to bully the enemy out of lane pretty dang well. The enemy became harder to poke later on, so I got a third Doranms Ring and I never ran OOM. Later that game I was able to get 7 of the enemy towers and deal tons of damage. I only needed to invest 1200 gold to become effectively manaless with wise use of my spells and proper farming.
Firebolt1 votes[{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BX6P31Pe,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-05-05T11:36:06.713+0000)
so I got a third Doranms Ring
That's why you never went OOM.
xBushx1 votesThat's why you never went OOM.
This!!! lol
Double Doran's or more and next to no mana issues going forward.
Meep Man1 votesI honestly don't see the issues with starting double or even triple Doran's Rings now haha! It gives 180 Health, 45 AP, 150% Mana Regen., and 12 mana on kill. With recent changes to champions and items, it's easier to put some Doran's Rings into your items since AP items overall cost a lot less. You delay your build 1200 gold, but is it really that bad if you essentially solve the one problem Mages are facing that many are complaining about?
Smitemuffin1 votesYou can't get away with that above Bronze and low Silver. Delaying your build for dorans rings will get you punished hard
xBushx2 votesYou can't get away with that above Bronze and low Silver. Delaying your build for dorans rings will get you punished hard
This...how would you feel sitting on 3 dorans and fiendish and im on a completed Morello.
You will get rekt in the first all in AND after I kill you i will still have MANA for your JG too.
Smitemuffin1 votesMy point EXACTLY. You can't delay a build to triple up dorans items like that in mid if they're any good. Unless you're a Lulu against a Mundo top, they'll rush a full item and eat you for breakfast.
xBushx2 votesMy point EXACTLY. You can't delay a build to triple up dorans items like that in mid if they're any good. Unless you're a Lulu against a Mundo top, they'll rush a full item and eat you for breakfast.
Yeah I was agreeing with you.
On Ziggs it might not suck THAT bad to delay since he is a sieging delay type champ. But you can't take towers while dead even with all the sustain in the world lol.
HannahOfPiltover1 votesI've been playing some Zyra support on 6.9 and I noticed the same thing. I'm firing off Q+W every time it's up and it takes forever to go oom. Once I get Frostfang+Morello then I'll basically never go oom. Seems kind of ridic tbh.
Amelie1 votesI played Zyra with zero mana/regen items and no blue buff. Never went oom. Awkward.
runedara1 votesI've been playing some Zyra support on 6.9 and I noticed the same thing. I'm firing off Q+W every time it's up and it takes forever to go oom. Once I get Frostfang+Morello then I'll basically never go oom. Seems kind of ridic tbh.
They didn't want supports to be hit as hard by it. I haven't had any issues either but I have been getting eye of the watcher. Still has 100%. Also my thumb is broken so I can't do extra actives lol.
Firebolt1 votesDiana Although if she didn't go OOM post 6, she'd be kinda broken mid game.
Embertine1 votesI run out of mana when I'm not keeping track of it, but mostly i have enough for one or two more spell casts.
Tengrichan1 votesRiot need to adjust the new mana items or adjust the mana costs on every champion who have too low manacosts so the rest of the champions who get the items doesn't get the short stick. I just had to play ONCE against a Zyra bot lane to see how she is basically manaless at this point.Then i played her at mid and as i suspected i NEVER ran out of mana. Riot have to hotfix this.
trash sion1 votesI hear Singed is.
Veraska1 votesI think lost chapter might be a bit overtuned, I swapped out my CDR blues for mana per level blues for my main mage (vel'koz) and I couldn't go oom if I tried
Bodkins Odds1 votesThat's mostly just the stupid mana sustain on his Q.
Smitemuffin1 votesI heard a few Singed players complain of mana problems. I had issues with it playing Viktor and Swain
Bodkins Odds2 votesWhich is funny, because Singed wasn't building mana regen items to begin with, except sometimes Doran's Rings.
Lugg1 votes
has horrid mana problems now that they changed his passive. You run OOM just trying to stack your AP passive, let alone trying to harass the enemy laner.
DrCyanide1 votesBoth stack his passive evenly, you don't have to use your Q for last hitting.
Lugg1 votesYou only get 1 AP for attacking a champion with Q, whereas you can can get 2 AP for killing two minions with it or 3 if you get a large minion and small one. Yeah, you can get two if you kill a minion and hit a champ, but that's pretty rare if you are facing a competent opponent.
DrCyanide1 voteshttp://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2178063078/42592968?tab=overview
TL;DR: Didn't notice a significant issue with mana, but wasn't in a stalled out siege ever.
I was running 9x +0.41 mana regen/5 seals (I've been doing it for years, nothing special). My Jungler got at least one, maybe two Ocean Dragons, which also helped with mana regen. We had some issues getting me Blue Buff early (curse you Red Buff!) so I was relying mostly on a 
for flat mana.... but it went well. My damage was certainly crazy enough that my enemies health bar typically disappeared faster than my mana, which is nice. I'm looking forward to a few more games to see if Ziggs is really making a comeback.
I do worry that the new system is extremely Dragon reliant for mana regen, and Bronze/Silver level Junglers are a very mixed bag...
THESuperStuntMan1 votesIt was inevitable. Mana regen is RIDICULOUSLY better than flat mana and they didn't give mages any compensation for removing it completely from their items.
Canidae1 votessaid no support main ever
