Am I the only one who misses the old trinity force?

Yosuke Apperu·Jan 13, 2016·11 votes·912 views

The title pretty much says it.. sheen also feels like a really awkward item to rush or even in general since it no longer provides any combat stats aside from cdr... It was also great for those champs that were ap that you wanted to put a triforce on just for fun.. besides that.. now a lot of builds i used to do with trinity force included overcap my cdr so it's wasted anyways. @riot.. Why was the ap changed out for cdr anyways? Also why can't we have the old trinity force back?

35 Comments

LadyRenlyJan 13, 20168 votes

Should be called Dual Force

Yosuke ApperuJan 13, 20162 votes

upvote for you! joke or not it's true!

MunchCrunchLunchJan 14, 20163 votes

no your not buddy. the new trinity force is only for ad champs now. and honestly some adcs instead of hybrid champs like it used to.

Yosuke ApperuJan 14, 20162 votes

I'm glad I'm not the only one mate! :) It was one of the items that was fine how it was and didnt need touched. Like... sniff Zephyr..

LadyRenlyJan 15, 20161 votes

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no your not buddy. the new trinity force is only for ad champs now. and honestly some adcs instead of hybrid champs like it used to.

I'd like to know which adcs use it because honestly, as it is its merely an option for Kog'Maw and Ezreal and that's it.

MunchCrunchLunchJan 15, 20161 votes

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I'd like to know which adcs use it because honestly, as it is its merely an option for Kog'Maw and Ezreal and that's it.

graves? any adc that isnt just autos.

RebonackJan 13, 20162 votes

Nope.

Not in the least.

Riot could at least release a new spellblade item suited more for Fighters. As it stands right now, ADCs have one (Trinity), Mages have one, and Tanks have one. item 3057 item 1043 item 3052 would be a decent build, I think.

Yosuke ApperuJan 13, 20162 votes

Well why wouldn't you want the old one?

RebonackJan 14, 20162 votes

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Well why wouldn't you want the old one?

The old one while neat, could do with better definition. Since the new Trinity gets so much Crit chance, making another version of Trinity that has Crit would be somewhat redundant. A bit more HP, attack speed, and OnHit damage would be way more attractive to champs like Irelia.

Yosuke ApperuJan 14, 20162 votes

Irelia is ridiculously strong atm with guinsoos.. I don't want a new version of trinity lol I want the old one back. They changed it for pretty much no reason.

Warning ShotJan 14, 20162 votes

I completely agree...

Yosuke ApperuJan 14, 20161 votes

Thank you for your support friend =]

DrCyanideJan 15, 20162 votes

Yeah... most champs that bought Sheen at least hand some AP scaling, giving it some damage. It just feels so... odd now.

I can spend 1000 gold on some other item and boost all my attacks... or I can spend 1000 gold on Sheen and boost one auto attack after an ability.

Yosuke ApperuJan 15, 20161 votes

This right here is exactly what i mean! Thank you! :)

GuardmanJan 15, 20162 votes

I do miss the AP. And in fact the one I miss the AP on most is Nasus. The AP from Sheen made E do some great harass in lane and could make Nasus a real lane bully or help you settle a tough lane.

CDR on the other hand I'm mostly meh about. It's nice, but on most champions I built Trinity Force on, like Nasus or Udyr, I would get 40% from other items and/or my runes. So I find the CDR redundant after a couple of items.

Also their is way too much crit chance on it now for champions that don't care about crit.

Because of this I find myself not really buying it on any champion I used to. There are just better choices now.

Colgate GatorJan 14, 20161 votes

I miss it everyday, my good friend.

Yosuke ApperuJan 14, 20163 votes

The cdr is nice and all.. but i want the ap XD

Phoenix Kotori Jan 14, 20161 votes

item 3100

Yosuke ApperuJan 14, 20163 votes

Right but sheen feels as though it offers no combat stats.. Yes it's cheaper but it still feels awkward as hell imo.

Phoenix Kotori Jan 14, 20161 votes

I dunno I love it granting CDR item 3078 item 3158 item 3142 item 3812 or item 3065 item 3110 for 40% feels great, though more crit change was awkward though.

Also I have trouble seeing who with what build over caps CDR now compared to before for it, that couldn't make any adjustments to prevent it.

Yosuke ApperuJan 14, 20161 votes

Certain champions this is true. Sometimes though you can overcap with just three items like item 3071 item 3078 item 3110 . If you decide to take cdr in masteries or runes it becomes wasted at some point in the game. So you more so have to make a choice, that early cdr from runes/masteries? or building it through out the game but starting with none.

Phoenix Kotori Jan 14, 20161 votes

Well item 3078 & item 3071 were intended to be an either one or the other since both are phage items & relatively expensive items, and this just cements this more. And even before it wasn't really an optimal build path on anyone to build both of those items.

And if that combo why not just go item 3071 item 3025 unless you're really hurting for the AS slow (get item 3143 ?) or move or attack speed.

If you decide to take cdr in masteries or runes it becomes wasted at some point in the game.

CDR mastery goes +5% beyond the cap, so it's still a choice regardless.

So you more so have to make a choice, that early cdr from runes/masteries? or building it through out the game but starting with none.

I don't see anything wrong with that in draft you should able to gauge what you want to build in a game to some degree & select CDR runes or not based off that.

Yosuke ApperuJan 14, 20162 votes

I still stick with my original statement of them having no reason to change it.

Phoenix Kotori Jan 14, 20162 votes

Sure they do for all the champs who make mediocre to poor use of the AP & great use of the CDR that people might want to use the item on, ie the following champs: Irelia Nasus Gangplank Quinn JarvanIV Shyvana Yasuo XinZhao Hecarim Poppy Gnar Rengar Kindred Trundle Volibear Talon

Or who miss the AP but like the CDR Ezreal Corki Skarner Nidalee Udyr

Few that miss AP & meh for CDR Jax Evelynn KogMaw

The benefits of having CDR instead of AP seems pretty clear to me unless you think I am over looking some item 3078 users.

Yosuke ApperuJan 15, 20161 votes

I see that there's no changing your mind so I'll respect your opinion and stick to mine :) Cdr was relatively easy to get before the change, they didnt need to add it to triforce. It feels like it's missing something(mainly because it is) As I said though, to each their own.

Phoenix Kotori Jan 15, 20161 votes

ADs had poor CDR options especially for ones who couldn't get item 3025 or item 3110 .

If you wanted to cap you had to go item 3071 + item 3142 item 3065 or item 3158 +5% mastery/rune.

It gave a much needed option for AD champions, imo.

You don't have a counter point, so there for it was right to change since you're not presenting any defense against it.

Yosuke ApperuJan 15, 20161 votes

Your logic truly astounds me, just accept that different people have different views instead of trying to prove them wrong. Btw nothing wrong with cleaver+youmuu considering youmuu damage got buffed and so did cleaver actually. To each their own build paths mate. That's why we dont automatically just get items cemented into our builds as we level. :)

Phoenix Kotori Jan 15, 20161 votes

Yes because of game healthy & balance there is clear reasons why riot did it since AP was wasted on many users while CDR more universally appreciated as I tried to show, but you want the AP for some unspecified reason for "fun" rather the sake of the game so its natural to want a better reason than that.

If riot made balance changes purely for "fun" the game would be a far different place.

Yosuke ApperuJan 15, 20161 votes

Fun is the reason why lee always gets buffed for silly reasons(he certainly was balanced without them). Balance? Which reminds me they upped it's crit.. so lets talk about balance shall we? let's give it more crit chance so that champions crit more(aka have better luck so chances are they'll crit more and win more) so much chance into a game of skill... don't you dare say balance about an item that was given more crit.. crit isnt balance.. it's winning your games by luck.

Phoenix Kotori Jan 15, 20161 votes

More crit in exchange for AS & AD makes the crit more consistent with lower high spikes actually, while I think it would have been better without that change it doesn't make it more luck.

Yosuke ApperuJan 15, 20161 votes

You misunderstand me my friend, I'm saying relying on crit to win a trade is relying partially on luck.

Phoenix Kotori Jan 15, 20161 votes

Crit is pseudo-RNG in league, so the longer the trade the less luck it become, in a 2/3 auto trade might be some luck, but in 5-10 auto trade it isn't really lucky anymore.

Yosuke ApperuJan 15, 20161 votes

Early game against a tryndamere.. that could be the death of ya mate.

ProtokaiJan 15, 20161 votes

depending on the champion i miss or dont care some champs it is better on for the little extra cdr like rengar so nice now add firecannon or shyv and that thing you jump on is going to hate life or miss it one of the 2 but on irelia i miss it for the dmgs on ult

Yosuke ApperuJan 15, 20161 votes

Agreed, Everyone had their go to builds with it.. honestly some builds it fits better on, and others? well not so much.. anyways thanks for your comment mate =]