This BS normal match making need to stop

The Deckowner·Jun 22, 2016·26 votes·2,145 views

I was playing some normals with my friends, we have a 5 man squad of 1 bronze, 2 silver and 2 plat. And the last game we played we got matched against a LV15 player. This person is literally LV15! I know normal mmr is not related to ranked mmr, but seriously we are all lv30 with ranks and this poor guy is lv15. How the hell did the system expect this to be a fair match? How is this guy going to have fun in such a game?

p.s. There is a solo diamond in their team, which I think was meant to "balance out" the teams, and it certainly didn't work out, the lv15 's skill gap with everyone else was too big even the diamond can't carry him. That wasn't a fun game for the diamond nor the lv15 player.

36 Comments

Karn BishopJun 22, 20169 votes

wanna know whats scary? its the same dynamic system they use to balance ranked now.

TwinkieProJun 22, 20164 votes

You know whats worse? being all bronze and 1 silver against the team you are on. No balancing factors involved there. "but it's just normals." doesn't make it fun. Stop bringing such a large ranked discrepancy.

Off HiatusJun 22, 20163 votes

And to think that Riot believes that MMR adjustment is a solution to problems when things like this happen.

General Esdeath Jun 22, 20163 votes

Gold V here, fought a Diamond 3 Riven today. I know normal system isn't super balanced but come on Riot

LatetotheRaceJun 22, 20163 votes

I think it's because a lot of casuals have flowed into DQ, why just play a normal game when you can play ranked (effectively the same thing now) and get rewarded? :/ Riot poses a serious conundrum here.

I am PacmanJun 22, 20162 votes

The other option is just matchmaking algorithm had trouble in off peak hours. Not a lot of even in skill level level 15s pla league at the same time so the system probably stretched the limit and gave him a diamond player to balance out the team mmr with yours.

idk my best guess but it seems pretty accurate.

The DeckownerJun 22, 20162 votes

That is my guess too, but it doesn't really work out, the diamond and the lv15 doesn't balance out.

It might have something to do with the lv15 being in premade with a bronze and a silver.

5man premade of 1 bronze 2silver 2 plat matched against premade of a lv15, a bronze, a silver, a plat and a diamond. That is just freaking stupid. And they use the same matchmakong system for ranked...

No wonder dynamic queue is shit.

It Hertz When IPJun 22, 20161 votes

Sounds like the start of a joke. "So a Bronze, a Silver, a Plat, a Diamond, and a levl 15 walk into a bar..."

The DeckownerJun 22, 20161 votes

Matchmaking IS a joke.

M Dragon14Jun 22, 20161 votes

What if the lvl 15 was duo with the diamond though?

The DeckownerJun 22, 20161 votes

They were, the lv15 was premade with a bronxe and a silver.

CerealBoxOfDoomJun 22, 20161 votes

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They were, the lv15 was premade with a bronxe and a silver.

A bronze player and level 15 are potentially at the same level especially if the level 15 was a smurf. There's nothing wrong with this really. when you match plat with bronze you should get a weird imbalanced matchup. There's no getting around this unless you want to be forbidden from playing with your higher level friends

The DeckownerJun 22, 20161 votes

They are matching my team which has 2 of my plat friends against this lv15 with his bronze silver premades, that is the problem.

M Dragon14Jun 22, 20161 votes

Do you mean the diamond was in a duo with the lvl15, bronze, and the silver player? Or did you make a typo?

The DeckownerJun 22, 20162 votes

That was a typo sorry, i meant they weren't

M Dragon14Jun 22, 20161 votes

Haha. no worries. I was placed with a challenger player with my smurf (who is below lvl 15) once. I'm only gold. Kind of a funny game.

Pika FoxJun 22, 20162 votes

Normal MMR and Ranked MMR arent the same.

Also, the lv 15 probably queued with others. What is the matchmaking supposed to do? The level 15's party of level 30s have some degree of MMR most likely that gets taken into account as well, and if their normal MMR is pretty high, ofc the level 15 is going to get put up against opponents out of their league.

Starfish HJun 22, 20162 votes

I think the diamond and the level 15 were a duo.

The DeckownerJun 22, 20162 votes

They weren't, i checked it the diamond is solo.

AeszarckJun 22, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Deckowner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BPX37m1g,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2016-06-22T17:05:22.371+0000)

They weren't, i checked it the diamond is solo.

How do you know that? Did you ask the players?

rescuedJun 22, 20162 votes

I'm silver 4 and I always seem to face golds + low plats in normals.

GGXJ9Jun 22, 20161 votes

idk I agree but you guys still give too much credit. A low diamond player will prob only do better 60% of the time vs a gold and below if that. I use to beat up on diamonds with my friends previous seasons when I was a gold nooby. Now that I know much more and am much more better I realize low diamond is basically gold anyways.

The DeckownerJun 22, 20163 votes

I don't care about diamonds in my normal games, in fact I like that because it makes the game less boring. But a lv15? Hell fucking no. That game was such a stomp because the lv15 Kog had no idea how to play the game and fed his ass off, the diamond couldn't even carry him. I don't like onesided matches like this even when I win.

I am PacmanJun 22, 20161 votes

Well thats not hard to get if its a smurf account.

The system can recognize smurfs or just players who are stomping low levels and winning games easy and will start to place them against other smurfs if possible or it will raise the level/rank cap of the game its looking for until it finds players in his range.

Played with golds and plats upwards from level 18 before but I wasn't paying attention with my smurf.

The DeckownerJun 22, 20162 votes

I'm very sure this person is not a smurf, as match history shows it plays a variaty of game modes and have very normal win rate. Trust me I have played this game for almost 3 years I know how a smurf plays.

M Dragon14Jun 22, 20161 votes

what if he was a bronze 5 smurf? Prolly doing an unranked to bronze 5 stream, proving that bronze 5 still exists.

DarkRitualJun 22, 20161 votes

Was that lvl 15 playing like a low level, or did they act like they may have been a smurf?

The DeckownerJun 22, 20161 votes

He looks like someone who would lose intro bot games.

DarkRitualJun 22, 20161 votes

Odd indeed. Most likely playing in a group with a friend. Could still have been completely random occurance though.

MalfiniJun 22, 20161 votes

How I wish Riot would have a Normals game mode restricted to Lv30s only... Anyone under Lv30 has their own Normals.

AeszarckJun 22, 20161 votes

Well, pre-thirty players can match up with level thirties in normals.

TeslynJun 22, 20161 votes

you went against a 5 man Pre-made.. get mad at riot all you want for match making but when a level 15 groups with a B2, S3, P1, D5..

what are you going to match them against.. a bunch of unleveled people..

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=believer2000 and i hate linking peoples op pages .. but look at the guy.. and look at his next matches .. the team is all the same people.. 4 games in a row.. unless they some how some where have the same normal MMR .. its not a happen stance that a level 15 went against your team.

and at this moment of checking he has played 6 games with the D5 .. and 8 with the P1 .. at the last 20 games he has played.. its not happen stance man.

MalfiniJun 22, 20161 votes

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you went against a 5 man Pre-made.. get mad at riot all you want for match making but when a level 15 groups with a B2, S3, P1, D5..

what are you going to match them against.. a bunch of unleveled people..

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=believer2000 and i hate linking peoples op pages .. but look at the guy.. and look at his next matches .. the team is all the same people.. 4 games in a row.. unless they some how some where have the same normal MMR .. its not a happen stance that a level 15 went against your team.

Probably one of those high elo Summoners advertising on "coaching" players at X amount of dollars.

Presently AbsentJun 23, 20161 votes

This happens all the time in normals.

This is why DQ is inherently unbalancable. You cannot assume a 5 man bronze premade vs. any number of golds, plats etc. is going to be fair and the fact that they have to do this in the first place to try and 'balance' DQ is proof that it is flawed at its core. There are far too many variables and the majority of the time it's still a shitshow for one side or the other. These band-aids are naive and short sighted and they cannot fix the root of the problem.

Imagine it this way; I have a scale and I give out two different sizes of gold nuggets. Who gets which size is completely random. Eventually the people getting less gold are unhappy, and rightfully so. When I place the two nuggets on a scale it's obvious who gets the shorter end of the stick.

So to balance things out, I place a mechanism under the scale on the side I weigh the smaller nugget to pull it down. I place both sized pieces on the scale and demonstrate that they're now balanced. In a way, they are. The scale appears even. But it's not because I've equalized the amount of gold I give people. I've just artificially inflated one side. The problem is still there. No matter how I calibrate the scale, or put little rocks on one side, or cut the larger gold nugget into little pieces. People will still receive different amounts of gold.

Okay, so you have a 4-man premade. Obviously they stomp 5 solo players. So you place them against players 2 tiers above them. Their individual mechanical skill will never be greater than the higher ranked player so they're still free to snowball their lane or solo carry. Conversely, no matter how good a player is, they are still just one person. One champion. They cannot provide the same level of communication or cohesion as a 4 man team. Either the higher ranked player snowballs out of control or gets massacred 1v4. The odds of the two imbalances somehow cancelling each other out and creating a perfect equilibrium between the individual skill of the higher ranked player and the coordination of the premade is zilch.

TL;DR: Dynamic Queue is a patchwork akin to sewing a banana to a cat and painting the cat yellow to 'balance things out'. It's madness.