Can we have Karma's passive work in the jungle?

FistOfSharkiesha·Oct 5, 2015·54 votes·2,157 views

Right now Karma can just barely function in the jungle due to her W changes, but she still only does 2 or 3 camps before being forced to back, making her extremely reliant on ganking lanes. I think having her passive interact with monsters, even if it's like half effectiveness or something, would give her a good option to be a jungler. Fiddlesticks, Nidalee, and Diana are basically the only mages that can jungle, Cho and Mumu being more of a tank than a mage. It'd be cool to have more options for AP as a jungler especially in solo queue where people instalock AD mids, dooming their team to be countered by the enemy stacking armor.

Even with these changes she'd still be a below average jungler so it would be cool to see her just barely viable in the jungle.

26 Comments

ScarehJewOct 5, 20156 votes

I like to play Karma jungle, I think it'd be excellent to make her passive work in jungle, like maybe only on large monsters or something. Of course, it could be abused like crazy, just kite a camp and let it reset before it damages you to get your ult super fast. Maybe put a timer on it so it only works once every 3 seconds on monsters.. Who knows, I'd just really like to see this happen lol

FistOfSharkieshaOct 5, 20151 votes

But that's an even trade. It would severely lower her clear times if she did this. Maybe you could gank with mantra more often but if you picked someone with good clear speed like Udyr or Elise you could be 2 levels ahead of a Karma wasting time getting mantra.

SpiritGearOct 6, 20151 votes

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I like to play Karma jungle, I think it'd be excellent to make her passive work in jungle, like maybe only on large monsters or something. Of course, it could be abused like crazy, just kite a camp and let it reset before it damages you to get your ult super fast. Maybe put a timer on it so it only works once every 3 seconds on monsters.. Who knows, I'd just really like to see this happen lol

devourer karma confirmed

UltîmaOct 5, 20153 votes

I'd like Karma to actually have a passive - her current passive should honestly scale with levels in Mantra and she should be given an impactful tool that could further define her as a character. Right now Karma feels too simple.

JustMyBassCannonOct 5, 20151 votes

Her passive works pretty well for her, really. It's strengthened by CDR (because flat CDR is always after % CDR), and it lets her use her ultimate 2-3 times in a team fight if you're actually hitting champs.

Although I think it should count her E shield to proc it, since they removed the shield bomb.

DJ Di0Oct 5, 20153 votes

Am I the only one who thinks Karma's passive should be moved to her Ult, and be given a new passive?

Rico NastyOct 6, 20151 votes

I mean, I can see where you're coming from. It's quite a boring passive, and doesn't thematically fit her at all (and I'm a Karma main). But it's one of the things that keeps her even functioning during lategame. Her damage is really meh without her ult, and her passive enables her to cast her ult multiple times within a minute or two.

DJ Di0Oct 6, 20152 votes

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I mean, I can see where you're coming from. It's quite a boring passive, and doesn't thematically fit her at all (and I'm a Karma main). But it's one of the things that keeps her even functioning during lategame. Her damage is really meh without her ult, and her passive enables her to cast her ult multiple times within a minute or two.

Oh, I agree that it's really good in the later game when hitting a 4 man Q can really bring your ult cd low, but it still feels like it's one of those passives that belongs on an ability.

Meanwhile tahm kench has random ass passives on his ult and W and no one bats an eye :/

Rico NastyOct 6, 20151 votes

trueeee

Werewolf LinkOct 5, 20152 votes

Not every champion needs to be able to Jungle.

JustMyBassCannonOct 5, 20153 votes

But they specifically changed Karma so her W can hit jungle monsters.

luckeyjokerOct 5, 20154 votes

It doesn't mean she should jungle. Her kit feels like it doesn't reward her for hitting monsters, because of weak aa, q not that spamable early on, w only works on big monsters, non damaging shield, and little sustain. If she was a good farmer I would agree but that's not the case.

FistOfSharkieshaOct 5, 20151 votes

She has a 40% missing health heal and the utility to gank well. She's not fantastic in the jungle right now, that's the whole point of this thread... This one change would bump her up from poor to viable.

FistOfSharkieshaOct 5, 20151 votes

I didn't say every champion needs to jungle. Karma's recent buff gave her the 1 necessary tool which allows her to jungle, albeit poorly. We don't have a lot of mages in the jungle, and we have 0 utility mage junglers. Karma would be a perfect addition to the list of viable junglers.

KarbuncleOct 5, 20152 votes

I think it would be neat,I would also like it if her numbers were tweaked on her abilities so they're 1 point wonders since she doesn't have a real ult. Her Q is only spammable mana wise at level 1,7 second cooldown is moderate cooldown and goes down with level when I wish it would be 5 secs at level one so it wouldn't be awful to max her other abilities first if you wanted to focus on CC or Damage Reduction rather than poke. Her tether takes the most effort to land,puts her into kill me range,doesn't give TRUE sight during and no sight at all during the snare AND is only last 1 second at level 1 while Lux's, Morgana's, and Swain's last 2 seconds at level one with what I believe takes less effort given their huge hit boxes.

This bit is a personal issue. I/allies have died so many times from Damage over time abilities+ignite because karma's shield has a lower base/duration/scaling and arguably weakest secondary effect of an ally targetable shield when if the shield was cast by Janna/Lulu/Lux I wish it's effect was tweaked number wise.

P.S Why did Kayle and even somewhat Lux get ability power scalings for their abilities while Karma has not? She's a secondary support just like them and Karma always gets the least desired effect when it comes to changing her based on her being a support or a mage since Riot hasn't decided in what specific way to be unfair to her.

Gee we can't have Karma have 2 Mantra stack or be able to use her basic ability AND Mantra'd ability with separate cooldowns that would be OP Leblanc

IcyPepperOct 5, 20152 votes

It'd be cool to have more options for AP as a jungler especially in solo queue where people instalock AD mids,

that's some nice armor you got there...

But in all seriousness, I'm with you.

AezanthyaOct 5, 20151 votes

I agree, i was so sad when they removed the spectral wraith or whatever it was.

I loved playing Karma jungle.

DemacryOct 5, 20151 votes

lol Had to look up what Karma's passive was. What a boring passive.

I'd agree with you if I didn't think you lacked a healthy respect for Dumblecho.

SukishooOct 5, 20151 votes

Fiddlesticks, Nidalee, and Diana are basically the only mages that can jungle,

I jungle just fine with Morgana , so they aren't the only ones there are plenty out there, just have to experiment. And Nid is an Assassin not a Mage.

FistOfSharkieshaOct 5, 20152 votes

I think you know what I meant. She builds AP and does the damage of a mage. Same with Diana. Not exactly classified as a mage, but she has strong poke and does tons of magic damage.

Spaceman5pffOct 5, 20151 votes

You seem to forget that once he picks up trailblazer, Brand can clear as quickly as fiddle / karma and he works well enough with runeglaive. Liandry's a popular item on lane brand, helps him burn through epic monsters as well.

Voluug13Oct 5, 20151 votes

Karma jungle actually clears pretty fast once she gets Runeglaive, like 99% of mages. She also has pretty good ganks. The problem is the absolute lack of sustain or damage early on, which isnt enough to clear very fast before Runeglaive.

I dont think this is the solution. I dont know rn what could be but its not something that can be really fixed without affecting her midlane or lategame...

JingerbeardmanOct 6, 20151 votes

used to... was busted to all hell....

NebuulOct 6, 20151 votes

The trick would be to make her passive work on champions, large monsters, and epic monsters. That way she couldn't do stupid stuff on multi-creep camps.

AsdeftOct 6, 20151 votes

Ekko Fizz are some other AP junglers, and Morgana Lulu are do-able . I really hope Riot can move Karma into having a better jungle option and this is a good first step maybe.