"You were pushing and were not warding, that's why the enemy ganked you"

YumaS2Astral·Oct 13, 2016·3 votes·504 views

I don't know why most people automatically assume that I was pushing my lane if I complain about the enemy jungler constantly ganking.

Sometimes it is possible for the enemy jungler to dive me, depending of the situation. For example, their laner can tank tower shots. Or I am low enough to be dived (in that situation I can return to base to avoid dying to a gank, but in the process I lose farm and experience, and my tower will be damaged).

Actually, this is one of the things that happen the most at high elo. Even when you play as safe as possible and ward, you can still be ganked (that depends from a lot of conditions, though; for example, obviously a full health Illaoi should NEVER be dived).

12 Comments

AstôlfoOct 13, 20163 votes

If you're low enough to be dived and stuck around instead of backing, that was your fault. It's better to back and lose CS/tower health than die and lose it anyways.

YumaS2AstralOct 13, 20163 votes

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If you're low enough to be dived and stuck around instead of backing, that was your fault. It's better to back and lose CS/tower health than die and lose it anyways.

I know that, but even if I try to explain that to people, they always assume that I was pushing.

RalanrOct 13, 20161 votes

Let them assume. Mistakes were made and it's best to move on.

AstôlfoOct 13, 20161 votes

Eh, their assumptions mean nothing. Just ignore them if they flame you?

nm1010Oct 13, 20162 votes

Link the games, 9/10 times at high elo people get ganked for pushing and not warding/not seeing them. It kind of sounds like you are just taking offense to obvious advice because you "know" not to push without wards. It happens everywhere, just try to be more aware next time.

YumaS2AstralOct 13, 20161 votes

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Link the games, 9/10 times at high elo people get ganked for pushing and not warding/not seeing them. It kind of sounds like you are just taking offense to obvious advice because you "know" not to push without wards. It happens everywhere, just try to be more aware next time.

http://matchhistory.br.leagueoflegends.com/pt/#match-details/BR1/904859592/201721804

I actually got ganked just one time for pushing on this game, but most other ganks were when I was actually pushed to my tower (they were towerdives). Because Garen has a silence, I couldn't do much to save myself, and I wasn't that low. The enemy Nidalee also managed to zone my mid lane Vel'Koz from farming, preventing him from even getting it out of his tower (and allowing Viktor to farm freely); they both also tried to dive Vel'Koz many times (he wasn't pushing at all, yet got constantly ganked)

nm1010Oct 13, 20161 votes

For some reason my brain had this scenario mid lane. Absolutely garen nid can very easily dive almost any top laner and I hate when nidalee can just chuck spears at mid because she is ahead xD

In context (and when I'm not assuming scenarios like an idiot) totally makes sense how a ton of diving pressure can be applied. This is what nid does, it is unfortunate vi didn't counter gank it.

YumaS2AstralOct 13, 20161 votes

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For some reason my brain had this scenario mid lane. Absolutely garen nid can very easily dive almost any top laner and I hate when nidalee can just chuck spears at mid because she is ahead xD

In context (and when I'm not assuming scenarios like an idiot) totally makes sense how a ton of diving pressure can be applied. This is what nid does, it is unfortunate vi didn't counter gank it.

She couldn't keep up with Nidalee's early game pressure at all. It was like we were facing a Challenger smurf.

nm1010Oct 13, 20161 votes

Probably was a smurf of some sort, she has a 63% winrate with low games played. Just kind of unfortunate when that happens, but there isn't much you can do.

LXIIOct 13, 20162 votes

"It's called buy a ward" - every person ever Like it matters if I can see them coming or not when they're just gonna dive me for the 50th time in a row anyway. lol

legionnaire99Oct 13, 20161 votes

Darius Illaoi Riven gank? You mean double Kill time

Swiftstrike4Oct 13, 20161 votes

It just depends on the lane.

Top lane is largely about wave management. Typically unless you cross the river you are unlikely to get ganked.

Tower dives typically only occur when: You are really low on health, mana, or both The tower is low (less than half health). This means you have probably been laning for too long (bad players lane forever but surviving tower dives is easy in the post 15 minute mark. If you do not control your jungle - once you lose control of you jungle dives are more likely to occur

I also think a lot of low elo players use the term "gank" too loosely to often describe a death. Ganks occur during laning phase when one or two opponents rotate to your lane to kill you. Laning typically goes on for about 10-20 minutes or until about level 7-10 maybe. Sometimes it last longer if you have a split-pusher on your team. But in general laning phase "ends" as do "ganks" after the first tower falls.

Calling a rotation to your tower at the 20 minute mark a "gank" is not really accurate. At this point in the game laning phase is over, even if all the towers are still up and lower elo players will complain about "the lack of ganks" when people are level 10. Then they will blame others for their deaths, but the reality is that what a lot of players will attribute to as repeatedly getting ganked just means that the mid game phase is beginning and this is where people need to group and give up laning.

Laning phase is just to level up until you are strong enough to enter the mid game phase. In general, laning phase shortens the higher in elo you climb.