here is how vayne should get nerfed

Critmaster Garen·Mar 23, 2019·8 votes·2,012 views

silver bolts

PASSIVE: Vaynes basic attacks and Condemn apply a Silver Bolts stack for 3 seconds, up to 3 times. Attacking a new enemy removes all stacks from the previous target.

Bonus physical damage: 4 / 6.5 / 9 / 11.5 / 14% of target's maximum health

ACTIVE: Silver bolts deal True damage for 4 seconds. Silver bolt procs extend the active duration by 3 seconds. 15 seconds cooldown.

now, if you get her to waste the ability and drop the stacks, you create a window of weakness in which to engage her.

its a nerf, its counterplay, its a healthier kit without changing the core design of the champion. im out.

17 Comments

Daddy AntsMar 23, 20198 votes

Lmao no.

Here's how she needs to be nerfed -

Tumble cooldown is no longer reduced by 50% during final hour.

Rıots Bad ClientMar 23, 20197 votes

or buff item 3143 /or/ item 3110 So if a enemy champion attacks in quick succession they can get their next auto a bigger delay. just a way for tanks to heal with Lucian + item 3153 and Vayne + item 3124

Or any other champion that has an auto attack reset that ignores attack speed slows.

Daddy AntsMar 23, 20193 votes

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or buff // So if a enemy champion attacks in quick succession they can get their next auto a bigger delay. just a way for tanks to heal with + and +

Or any other champion that has an auto attack reset that ignores attack speed slows.

Most I'd do to buff those items is up the Attack Speed slow to 20%

Critmaster GarenMar 23, 20192 votes

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or buff // So if a enemy champion attacks in quick succession they can get their next auto a bigger delay. just a way for tanks to heal with + and +

Or any other champion that has an auto attack reset that ignores attack speed slows.

i dont see how any of this makes vaynes kit healthier.

yea, you can nerf rageblade, you can remove the rageblade interaction, you could buff tank items. two of those options would affect a large portion of the champions in this game and none of them really fix the problems with vayne herself. but those are entirely different issues.

right now, there is no justification for her w to be even in her kit. it just adds flat reliable power without a weakness or restriction to balance it out, like the other champions with the same true damage mechanic have.

the change i proposed would change little to her gameplay other than to use the ability more carefully and allow her opponents to potentially bait or force out a window in which they can fight her.

a good vayne player will be able to maintain the w in a fight, and barely feel any difference but it still creates the potential for her to get outplayed and waste the steroid.

shed just have more defined windows of strength and weakness, which would create healthier gameplay.

Rıots Bad ClientMar 23, 20192 votes

Oh fuck no, Vayne is just... cancer. (this wasnt to say, this will make vayne healthier) She is very unhealthy. her over buff in 9.1(with urf mode buff on the ult making her perma Invis)

People abusing item 3124 and then tanky. is just not fair. I'm not saying Vayne doesnt need a buff, I think everyone who plays this game knows she needs a nerf.

I'm saying buffing the items to help build against champions that sort of auto attack reset. I just said the 2 big offenders. its just to hopefully help tanks and the next auto attack is delayed by a second dropping the dps significantly allowing them survive more.

Hell, if we wanna make those items broken like vayne is. we can go further by doing more. If 2 auto attack come out in quick succession, they are slowed by 35%, revealing them and Grounding them for 2.5 seconds.

(I always hate vayne Only because of %Health as true damage)

Critmaster GarenMar 23, 20192 votes

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Oh fuck no, Vayne is just... cancer. She is very unhealthy. her over buff in 9.1(with urf mode buff on the ult making her perma Invis)

People abusing and then tanky. is just not fair. I'm not saying Vayne doesnt need a buff, I think everyone who plays this game knows she needs a nerf.

I'm saying buffing the items to help build against champions that sort of auto attack reset. I just said the 2 big offenders. so its like they get his passive, and the next auto attack is delayed by a second dropping the dps significantly.

Hell, if we wanna make those items broken like vayne is. we can go further by doing more. If 2 auto attack come out in quick succession, they are slowed by 35%, revealing them and Grounding them for 2.5 seconds.

(I always hate vayne Only because of %Health as true damage)

vayne has always been a problematic champion to balance, even before rageblade existed. so putting the entire blame on the item isnt really correct either like some people are doing imo.

if vayne is viable, something is usually wrong. either with vayne herself or with the game overall. in this case its just vayne again.

she really needs changes to her kit itself if thats ever going to change.

Rıots Bad ClientMar 23, 20192 votes

I really cannot disagree. Rageblade is only being abused by Vayne(like you said, her kit). I dont know any other champions(Maybe aside from Kog and Kayle) who actually use it. But they dont abuse it. (Kayle does after level 11-16?)

However I dont think they'll change about vayne.(Dispite I thinking they really should) they have a knack of not going back a patch on a champion. and rather just nerf 3AD call it and ship it.

Vayne is meta when Tanks are not meta. THATS the biggest issue for me.

Critmaster GarenMar 23, 20191 votes

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Lmao no.

Here's how she needs to be nerfed -

but thats just vayne before her most recent buff. yes, that buff was stupid as shit and entirely unjustified, but its not like vayne was a balancable champion before they did this addition to her ult.

was there ever a time where vayne wasnt garbage or way overtuned? before rageblade, before that ult buff?

the answer is no.

Sir SaltarinMar 23, 20191 votes

Gotta love aswell the shadow nerf of 3.5s duration of the marks to 3s LUL

EedatMar 23, 20194 votes

They just need to undo the ult buff. Problem fixed.

Rıots Bad ClientMar 23, 20193 votes

I would like if it ignored a % of bonus armor(With bonus damage based on max HP) instead of %health as true damage.

Daddy AntsMar 23, 20193 votes

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I would like if it ignored a % of bonus armor(With bonus damage based on max HP) instead of %health as true damage.

They aren't gonna change the mechanics of her W.

W isn't why she's too strong.

9.1 change is.

MordepoolMar 23, 20193 votes

For a champion with hard cc and self peel i would say having 14% innate true damage is too much, especially with how much True damage already in the game.

SirsirMar 23, 20192 votes

Wasn't she fine before the 'urf mode ult' change?

Riot needs to stop that shit, both of its recent cases have flopped Nasus Vayne and now they're doing it to Aatrox

Maybe third fail is the charm?

Daddy AntsMar 24, 20191 votes

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Wasn't she fine before the 'urf mode ult' change?

Riot needs to stop that shit, both of its recent cases have flopped and now they're doing it to

Maybe third fail is the charm?

She was fine before the ult change.