I think yuumi is being severely underestimated.

lolipopevelynn··24 votes·12,552 views

And admittedly i underestimated her myself. even now i think she has more hidden power than what im seeing but my opinion of her has changed. played correctly she is VERY hard to kill if not impossible with a competent team/host that is actually aware you are attached to them making her a great user of item 3041 . Her W also allows for some neat tricks such as blocking skill shots then jumping back to host and heal up in safety. Her W is the MAIN reason why this champion is better than what the pure numbers show.

As long as her host is alive she can heal, deal damage, and CC at ZERO risk to herself. The only risk she takes is when she dismounts for 1 second to gain the shield but she can hop right back on host once shield is gained for a permanent shield to host. this is a pretty big deal because any other support has the risk of being targeted down by an assassin and taken out before they can really do anything. Yuumi can just spam heals, pokes, and CC all day and keep carry alive all day. She works best with mobility champs like Tristana Ekko Ezreal Fizz Lucian etc. Champs that can already keep themselves alive and handle themselves while also keeping you alive as you heal and shield them aswell as giving them a huge amount of passive AF.

And the AF they get is a pretty big chunk. late game with a maxed out W its something like 130+ AF which translates to 80 AD for AD champs and 134 AP for AP champs(this is all based on the amount of AP yuumi has). this is why item 3041 and item 3089 are pretty important items for her. Thats an entire item worth of pure stats and its what people DO NOT see or notice. giving a Jinx Riven or Vayne 80 extra AD of stats? FOR FREE? who wouldnt want that? Like i said, this champions power is very hidden just because of her parasitic nature which is standard for the course of champs like her. Abathur is exactly he same way in HoTS, no one ever notices the power he brings to a game but people still acknowledge he is a very strong hero in that game (or atleast he was when i played, have no idea how he is now)

Her heals have that same hidden power because people are for some reason looking at the lower number and forgetting that it has 2 charges meaning you can heal twice at once. and the charges recharge pretty quickly. but what really makes her heal insane is item 3174 which can be charged to its maximum from 1 max ranged Q. and since she has 2 charges on her heal you can basically get item 3174 to max charge with Q, E to heal out charges, Q to get max charge again, heal out max charges, Q again to get max charges, and while your E is on CD you jump off to AA for shield, hop back on host, and heal out the charges again. so ya item 3174 is a mandatory first buy item. takes alot of mechanics to pull it off, but the healing is INSANE. on average i can get 25k-50k healing depending on how long the game goes on.

With all this being said im not sure anymore if she needs buffs right away. maybe a CD reduction on Q? as i said before alot of her power is very hidden. im not claming to be best yuumi, main yuumi, or even a good yuumi. Im simply giving out my opinion and observation based on my games with her and games i see her in.

oh and FYI, stop taking summoner 4 on yuumi, its actually useless. also FYI, she is not a sona clone. she plays NOTHING like sona. even her ult, which everyone is comparing to sona ult, plays alot differently because of her W and the fact that she can move while ulting.

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Marshbouy16 votes

IMO her issue is that she seems so low effort that people think they can play her low effort and still win.

No, you have to be proactive in lane and poke well. Then in teamfights you have to be everywhere you need to be at all times.

When put on most melee champions, she makes them unstoppable gods because she

  1. gives them mobility

  2. gives them a reliable long range slow

  3. gives them a somewhat reliable AOE root

  4. heals them

  5. shields them

Seriously, putting her on a Yi, Garen, Darius, etc. is disgusting.

Karn Bishop1 votes

I don't agree with you on much but on this i do agree with you.

I consistently get ADC who are confused when we win lane or just don't horribly lose lane like they are used to when yuumi is played correctly, they then get even more confused when they look at the damage and realize i output more DPS then the playmaking mage they liked.

Naalith1 votes

Yeah, lots of people thought she would be super easy and you just afk but honestly as I've played her I've begun to respect her difficulty level a lot more. She's not like Bard, Rakan, or Pyke where you need to be insane but she definitely isn't as brain dead as I thought she'd be. She's also so incredibly unique that even someone who has mastered every single support will probably have a rough few first games. You have to manage when to be in W on a teammate, who to be on, in lane you need to decide when it's safe to auto and when you need to be on a teammate.

Teammates also need to learn to play with good Yuumis. I see a lot of ADCs who won't move a couple feet to get a Yuumi Q in range, won't be in range of Yuumi's dash so she dies, etc.

hrooza dota 1 votes

yuumi is listed as 1/3 in difficultly, imo she should be put at 2/3 at least because of how hard her W can be , a lot of players go afk on one person and expect to win instant of jumping around to hunt or get out to get shield ( i admit i always get out in the wrong time for shield) .

Kharlon2 votes

Her profile page is just wrong, she has 0 utility and 1 bar in tankiness. I am not sure who wrote it out, but its so wrong.

ShinRaigeki1 votes

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Her profile page is just wrong, she has 0 utility and 1 bar in tankiness. I am not sure who wrote it out, but its so wrong.

80% Slow for 1.75 Seconds. Provides ~70 AD lategame (~120 AP) to teammate. Has a 1.75 Second snare that deals more damage than Sona's ult for similar AP. Her E provides VASTLY more MS than Sona's and way more actual healing (and her passive shield is not only bigger than Sona's - it's permanent unlike that 1.5 second joke).

She has absurd volumes of utlity. Just people don't realize it because it's so subtle. That's her power - subtlety. And because her pokes are stronger and longer range than Sona's Q (this is EXCLUDING Sona's Empowered Auto btw, which is high risk high reward compared to Yuumi's low risk medium reward) you can spend most of a teamfight just poking opponents until they need to back, or flat out force a fight wherein Yuumi's R or Double E burst healing come into play.

WeaselRune1 votes

The most horrific displays Ive seen so far from her come from paring with:

MissFortune Varus Draven As far as laning goes...

Yes she really does shine with jugernauts later in the match though.

The MF ult with an attached Yuumi is a death-sentence just about.

Similar with Varus, you may find yourself chain CCd badly.

Draven tho... One of the same reason as MF actually, the extra mobility from the speed boost. This makes them very mobile, making for easy chasing, or running. A double speed boost on Draven with ulting Yuumi means Draven can just pound people with his bloodthirster rush, and if you dont flash out you will be rooted and forced into a slugging match with Draven....

By far though, its the MF Yuumi double up dont stand in the minions or MF will chunk you... Stand in the minions or Yuumi will poke you (same for why Blitzcrank MF lane is a pain) plus ult synergy that is the biggest nightmare.

Ragnaveil12 votes

No, she's heavily underrated because she plays differently like other general supports (Remember when ADs hated having a pyke support anyone?).

lolipopevelynn3 votes

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No, she's heavily underrated because she plays differently like other general supports (Remember when ADs hated having a pyke support anyone?).

most complaints ive got and seen is that people think she is non existent and has zero impact on the game because so much of her power is hidden when you W to someone. it makes them feel like you are just afk leeching when you are not. people constant ask to dismount and do something in lane, but they also dont realize this champs HP is disgustingly low. we are talking 1600 HP at level 18 here... she actually cant be unattached for long or she gets shat on.

Kai Guy1 votes

lets be honest... a lot of its cuz of the Yuumis who rush item 3504. This champion is a true support in that her entire team is her goal. She's not just a fancy house pet for your ADC. Do your job and help everybody.

Or don't... and lose a lot of games. There IS a reason for her abysmal winrate. The problems behind the keyboards.

SanKakU1 votes

At least you can buy HP while Pyke is locked into only +700 HP more than you at level 18. Let's be real, Janna only has +60 HP on you. I get cloth armor early if necessary and Yuumi is unlikely to be an exception. I get Ninja Tabi on every champion I play and I rarely change it up to something I suspect I'll get more value out of.

lolipopevelynn3 votes

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At least you can buy HP while Pyke is locked into only +700 HP more than you at level 18. Let's be real, Janna only has +60 HP on you. I get cloth armor early if necessary and Yuumi is unlikely to be an exception. I get Ninja Tabi on every champion I play and I rarely change it up to something I suspect I'll get more value out of.

the thing is pyke has amazing escape and so does janna in the form of her tornado and natural MS. yuumi has nothing. once she is dropped she is forced to spam E to runn away. not a fun time.

hrooza dota 2 votes

i recall in one of my early games on pyke my adc hating me for ksing with ultimate (it was not a draven adc or shut down gold so he got the same amount of gold).

DarwinTheory6 votes

If both laughable and sad how this forum community have jumped on the Yuumi sucks bandwagon.

She's broken AF with certain champ combinations. I wouldn't be surprised seeing her picked or banned in LCS. Yummi and YI/Urgot is a scary thought..............

Too bad this community wants buffs. :S

hrooza dota 4 votes

yuumi and twitch

Twitch : Surprise its me!

Yuumi : Us*

lolipopevelynn1 votes

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yuumi and twitch

Twitch : Surprise its me!

Yuumi : Us*

does she get stealthed with stealth champs??? never really tried or noticed it.

hrooza dota 1 votes

im pretty sure she does, had a game on twitch and i attach on him and we walk close to the enemy and the enemy have 0 reaction until we pop an ability/attack out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcAXi2Rt1Pw

you can see it in min 1:05

Linna Excel1 votes

Yeah, I'm predicting Twitch+shen+yumi combos to be a thing in pro play.

Purple Angel5 votes

yuumi existing means i have to now ban her every game to make sure she's not on my team

lost 90LP because of fucking yuumi

General Esdeath 4 votes

As I tell people when I bitch about her, she has 2 problems:

  1. her base numbers are a little low
  2. She's more of a pro-play champ because solo queue is a mess
DeusVult3 votes

She just came out. She is very different from the average support. People dont know how to play her yet. And yet, as always, people will say that it is weak.

People only sit on their ADC, they never poke with autos, they ward less because then they have to leave the adc, they dont block tank skill shots and then hop back in, etc.

give it 2-3 weeks and someone will show how strong she is in LCS/LEC/etc and the masses who cry "27% WR" will be talking about how OP she is, how she can never be targetted, etc.

Illabethe2 votes

WE KNOW HOW TO PLAY HER FINE.

TEAMS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO PLAY WITH HER.

Sir Saltarin1 votes

No and yes

You are not a master of Yuumi after a few days playing her, but of course your team neither knows how to play with a Yuumi

Everyone needs time to learn how to play with Yuumi and as Yuuml

Illabethe2 votes

I have a 59% Win rate with Yuumi at D I but have only won 2 games with her at Silver.

Yup. Don't know her. Right.

hrooza dota 1 votes

proof?

in fact do you have a proof you are even in diamond?

Kai Guy1 votes

2 things can be true at once.

Bad yummi players are lowing her win% and will undeniably be costing teammates the game.

and yes

Bad teammates cost you by not understanding the kit. This can be mitigated by playing well but its hard to be hyper vigilant to every champion.

Buddy of mine on Zed saw me land a Q under tower with the slow. Now I assumed as we are at the edge he would break aggro for me or if not id just W off and walk away because I expect teammates to not be aware of New kit interactions.

what caught me off guard was that he instantly flash W R the guy I hit... So I was stuck takeing tower shots or had the option to detatch into 3 of them. His plan. OH SQUISHY IMA KILL THEN R AWAY! Utterly oblivious to the fact that by not breaking aggro and dragging me into a tower and right to the middle of the enemy team I was completely fucked.

That was my 1 and only death that game... most the time im vigilant enough to abandon teammates making bad calls or work around them.

Illabethe1 votes

But in that specific instance, unless Zed died in .5 seconds. you should have just got an "Execute." If you fed a kill, it would have been from you detaching under the turret.

Kai Guy1 votes

Took a look at the replay. I was inaccurate in my description. I landed the Q as my Zed was walking away from tower, close to the edge of tis range. Soon as it connected he instantly WR cast, no flash was involved despite what I had though prior. I got hit by tower shorts during his R animation. When he used his R reactivation I was trying to detatch to drop aggro and heal but the change in location resulted in that I detatch with my model into Veigars stun. Then just got Blasted during the stun.

Still.... Zed had no need to change direction into a dive when I had aggro… Gonna keep the blame on him for not knowing my Kit. as we coulda easily dropped aggro if he kept pathing the way he was prior to my Q landing. The play really caught me off guard.

SanKakU1 votes

He might have decided he needed more HP for after killing him which could be why he let you continue to tank the tower. Perhaps he was being greedy, but I think Yuumi players get a little too excited about the idea of getting on an assassin.

Kai Guy1 votes

Its A friend of mine and he did not know that The kit could take tower aggro that's all. He was surprised earlier that game that I stayed attached even thru W and R casts.

Honest mistake on his end. Still was my 1 death that game.

Shiroyashayami3 votes

38% winrate. Underestimated by facts.

ShinRaigeki1 votes

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38% winrate. Underestimated by facts.

38% winrate which is forcibly pushed down by the fact that people have this odd habit of INTING MORE because they see her, and because of her low winrate, people feel an urge to punish people who play Yuumi because they feel the match is already over, creating a vicious cycle of continuously dropping her winrate because not only do they refuse to realize her power, they refuse to give her the chance and hence throw the match. And as a result of that lane getting fed, they help another lane get fed, this leads to the match becoming nigh unwinnable anyhow to the point Yuumi can't make up the difference anyhow.

Lystrates2 votes

Yuumi canchange the course of a teamfight no more than an ant can stop a tsunamy. Her abilitilies are extremely weak in teamfights. Without her ult, a teamfight is like a 4v5.

She is not underrated. she is ok in laning and bad in teamfights and brings little CC.

Tahminatrix 1 votes

I think she mostly exists to buff play making champions that have good damage scaling but are forced to build tanky.

Imagine a full ap yuumi buffing a riven with her w.

ShinRaigeki1 votes

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Yuumi canchange the course of a teamfight no more than an ant can stop a tsunamy. Her abilitilies are extremely weak in teamfights. Without her ult, a teamfight is like a 4v5.

She is not underrated. she is ok in laning and bad in teamfights and brings little CC.

Ever heard of a 1100 Range Poke that is near undodgeable and applies a nearly 2 second 80% slow on a ~3 second cooldown? That's absurd zoning. Not to mention good use of her ult can isolate 1-2 champs from their team allowing for control of a teamfight.

Sir Saltarin2 votes

Being biased on my experience I still think that she's fucking useless, the only game I have seen Yuumi win was one of my last played games in which her toplaner Urgot went like 12-0 and carried like hell, on Botlane Yuumi and Jhin were like 50cs behind at 15 mark

Maybe I'm wrong, but she still feels garbage for me

HappilyEverAfter2 votes

she is legit bad stop saying she is good cause she is not good she is only ok in low elo you must be low elo learn the game before you comment on her

lolipopevelynn1 votes

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she is legit bad stop saying she is good cause she is not good she is only ok in low elo you must be low elo learn the game before you comment on her

she is worse in low elo than high elo dumbshit lol.

jurrrr2 votes

you and op are the same rank tho. Is silver 1 high elo? I'm curious what your definition of high elo is.

Tahminatrix 1 votes

I had a yuumi help me hardcarry as tahm kench jungle and the entire enemy team complained about both our champions, so id say she has her strong moments.

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3045094252/228501044?tab=stats

Still lost though because our adc kept running from me whenever I tried to save them from kayn (I spam pinged them I was on my way and even flashed once), must have been why yuumi left botlane to support me.

Kai Guy1 votes

Unsealed spell book gives you the ability to have extra SS all game and you can swap them out when attached. I like to think of it as Book helping out. I love item cdr builds. Tend to avoid the item 3089 and use item 3030 because the active provides damage for my item 3504, and it adds a lot of utility to the kit. For many champions its rather Hard to escape the Q into active. Extra MP for spamming Abilitys, AP, 20% cdr,CC and damage + some extra AP scaling? One of the few times I don't want item 3905…. Zoomies and W make GLP actually solid. The build paths not that bad either… Longer lane because of a hyper carry needing more items to scale item 3802 is helpful, MP sustain = HP sustain More Q into E with Grail stacks. Winning lane? item 3145 makes passive triggers hit a bit harder... which makes the next W cast free hp.

One correction for you thou Eve. Your wording "1 max ranged Q" Is a bit ambiguous. The ability is not range related but rather travel time. So unattached casts its only the end of it which is distance related, but attached the total distance is irrelevant for its damage as long as it has been in air 1+ seconds.

I love the reaction players have when as yuumi I hop off my attached target and body block an ability. Max HP if im the only player left alive in the middle of a fight is unlikely to matter… im likely dead. This one Poor Urgot was expecting to get an execute and possibly pull me into his range.. Nah man... Body blocked... enjoy your CD.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

when you play yuumi you become enlighted to how vegetable other players truly are. the teams i got my last few games were omega yikes, but thats mostly due to riots shitty match making. Thats her main weakness tho, if you attach to a vegetable you are pretty much like a worm on a potato that is being put into a grinder.

and id never go unsealed spellbook over aery. aery is what makes her pokes somewhat decent in lane.

Karn Bishop1 votes

I would be curious to see the statistics of how many old eve mains switched to yuumi because i see a lot of them have including yourself.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

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I would be curious to see the statistics of how many old eve mains switched to yuumi because i see a lot of them have including yourself.

i havent really switched. i just can not stand the state of jg right now. so much so that id rather support than jg. its horrible and its not a fault of eve.

Karn Bishop1 votes

Fair enough i also stopped jungling for the same reason, i just meant how many picked up yuumi after abandoning jungle.

Jennifer4201 votes

i think the hotfix that happened like instantly put her in a really decent spot. now its the typical "new champ, horrible winrate" stuff.

full ap yuumi on jhin is pretty fun as both get crazy values

Flashes1 votes

I actually made a correct prediction for once! I had predicted that her damage and untargetability would be incredibly powerful, and combined with her poke would make for an extremely difficult lane unless her numbers were nerfed.

I was also correct in predicting that Yuumi would either be heavily nerfed or hotfixed too high. Lo and behold, both happened.

Right now, Riot increased her shield by a MASSIVE amount of 30 health at LEVEL 1. I think that was a bit much when combined with the massive amount of other buffs she recieved, like increased damage on her Q, increased healing on Zoomies, and increased Ult damage.

Keep in mind that Yuumi and her target share adaptive damage, so some of these buffs are larger than they appear:

BASE MANA REGEN 7.5 ⇒ 10

PASSIVE MANA RESTORE 30 to 160 (based on level) ⇒ 40 to 160 (based on level)

PASSIVE SHIELD 50/55/60/70/80/90/105/120/135/150/170/190/210/230/255/280/305/330 (+0.4 ability power) ⇒80/85/90/100/110/120/135/150/165/180/200/220/240/260/285/310/335/360 (+0.4 ability power)

PROWLING PROJECTILE DAMAGE 40/60/80/100/120/140 (+0.3 ability power) ⇒40/65/90/115/140/165 (+0.45 ability power)

PROWLING PROJECTILE EMPOWERED DAMAGE 60/100/140/180/220/260 (+0.6 ability power) ⇒ 60/105/150/195/240/285 (+0.6 ability power)

PROWLING PROJECTILE SLOW 30/40/50/60/70/80% ⇒ 40/48/56/64/72/80%

PROWLING PROJECTILE SLOW DURATION 1/1.1/1.2/1.3/1.4/1.5 seconds ⇒1.25/1.35/1.45/1.55/1.65/1.75 seconds

ZOOMIES MINIMUM HEAL 25/35/45/55/65 (+0.1 ability power) ⇒ 30/40/50/60/70 (+0.1 ability power)

ZOOMIES MAXIMUM HEAL 50/70/90/110/130 (+0.4 ability power) ⇒60/80/100/120/140 (+0.4 ability power)

FINAL CHAPTER MULTI-HIT REDUCED DAMAGE 40% from subsequent waves ⇒ 50% from subsequent waves

So first of all, she has more consistency with mana. Second of all, her Passive shield's early power was massively buffed. That's two early game buffs right off the bat.

Next, she has her Prowling Projectile's damage increased both early and late. This to me would be a sensible buff.

Then her Slow early game was increased, which I don't think should have gone through, because she doesn't need a slow for her early lane trading in ADDITION to her shield buff.

Next comes the Slow Duration, which I feel was another overbuff, because there was no need to touch the slow in any way.

I agree with both Zoomie heals.

There is no reason for the Final Chapter Multihit Reduced Damage buff.

She only really needed half of these buffs, and I feel like that's why there's such a polarized attitude towards her right now.

Curious Kat1 votes

I just watched a Ez/Yuum demolish bot lane. People only say she isn't good because she can't 100-0 someone by herself like most supports can. EX Morg, and Lux and blah blah.

Just because shes not an "assassin support" they think she is lack luster. No, shes a real support, what a support should be. She buffs others so they can own.

AbiwonKenabi1 votes

I had a decent Kog'Maw once and once we got him just a tiny bit ahead, he was disgusting. The enemy ADC wasn't even behind either, but once Kog got a little bit ahead he would just walk forward and shred them for an easy double. It was like the classic Lulu "protect the Kog" comp, except I never got separated from him since I was attached. Just E him for speed/heal/shield/Ardent proc and Q so they couldn't escape. It was crazy.

I think that Ardent Censer rush is still good on her in certain situations. She effortlessly procs it over and over, pretty much every time she attaches or Es someone. On someone like Kog'Maw or maybe even Vayne, its invaluable.

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