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So Tired of the "Damage Creep" Complaining

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Seriously the problem with this game isn't Damage Creep... its the fact that a huge portion of the player base is greedy and refuse to build defensively within their Damage builds. I feel like alot of the Damage Creep complaints are coming from ADC mains that refuse to build defensively early on. Like a Maw or Steraks or even a early Phantom Dancer into some health/damage item. People refuse to adapt to things that become strong. Another example of this is so many people forgetting that Zhonyas Hourglass is an item... and that it counters literally every burst mage... its not just a item to defend against AD assassins. Back when people where buying Zhonyas Hourglass first or second item... champions like Lux, Syndra and Veigar were not that good they were mediocre. There are a number of defensive items that were created for each class but people refuse to build those because they are greedy and just want to do the most damage possible. Maw and Zhonyas are two huuuge counters to burst mages early. LATE GAME if you get stunned by a burst mage... caught out of position and you get one shot... thats your own fault... A mage is naturally squishy for a reason.. if they can't one shot a target they catch out then they are just gonna die. STOP BITCHING about "Damage Creep" Because it doenst exist... its called "Greed Creep" or "Ego Creep" those are better names for it. Learn to adapt... change your builds... thats how meta's shift. Also another issue is the fact that everyone is spamming offensive supports, Zyra, Malz, Brand, so an adc gets one shotted late game and is like "WTF????" they aren't used to not having a traditional support with shields heals and peel.

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dominusx5 votes

then why do i get killed before i even get to Q as Darius in a lot of fights? is it because 5 tank items aint enough? :p the whole everything does dmg is the reason this game is trash atm. 1 dmg item into full tank is the way to go for most melee's. ranged carries just dont wanna buy defences because they are stupid and trash that's why i no longer care about the oppinions of adc mains. But still when the enemy gets a fucking dominics and suddently i melt like i have a chain vest instead of deadmans/randuins/thorm it's sad.

Perma CC5 votes

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then why do i get killed before i even get to Q as Darius in a lot of fights? is it because 5 tank items aint enough? :p the whole everything does dmg is the reason this game is trash atm. 1 dmg item into full tank is the way to go for more melee's ranged carries just dont wanna buy defences because they are stupid and trash that's why i no longer care about the oppinions of adc mains. But still when the enemy gets a fucking dominics and suddently i melt like i have a chain vest instead of deadmans/randuins/thorm it's sad.

That's called poor positioning. Late game as a "melee" immobile champion position is key. Also Darius is busted af and can heal so much with his q if he lands it. So I really dont know how your actually complaining about dying as him. Like HWAT???

dominusx5 votes

you gotten all the way up to plat 5 and you still have no clue about the game eh? sad. not gonna bother explain. goodnightuuuuu

Perma CC5 votes

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you gotten all the way up to plat 5 and you still have no clue about the game eh? sad. not gonna bother explain. goodnightuuuuu

ROTFL? You did nothing to explain to me anything. LOL, you just literally have nothiing to say to what I said because the truth hurts. You can always tell too when someone doens't know anything and is just a salty player when they instantly look up someones rank because that's all they can think to do when they have nothing to defend their argument.

dominusx2 votes

aight, imma explain. how do you die as Darius simple... people above ur shitty elo can kite a champion whom only has move speed buffs and a slow that he needs to autoattack you to proc it. Also you have to actually go in to buy fucking time for your carries to do dmg you dont just sit next to your adc waiting to ult someone to take the kill you have to force their backline off your backline.

item 3033 this item yes this fucking item it exists in the game for people with an iq of 50+ makes champions who rely on healing USELESS. Darius relies on his heal to be an actual tank if a Darius doesnt get a few Q heals in a fight he will die he ISNT A TRUE TANK NOR HAS CC TO KEEP SOMEONE LOCKED DOWN TO CUT THEIR DPS. Sion is a true tank Sion has a shield and his W scales giving him MORE HP and he has C - C to help him deal with carries Darius only way of dealing with range is RUNNING UP ON THEM and hope he procs NOXIAN might to ult them and last time i checked supports have shields and redemptions to help heal the adc. Aight monkey boy? are you pleased? The same works For Illaoi thus why she is mostly useless outside lane phase and most juggs for that matter if not all of them. Happy? stay plat now.

Edit: The game doesnt revolve around shitty mousebutton 2 role adc you know. tanks get fucked with no counterplay once adcs get 3 items anyway. The problem IS dmg pretty much all keystones give MORE dmg we dont need MORE DMG we need to nerf dmg and then tune tankiness accordingly. a TANK shouldnt be killing acarry in a single rotation even if it's midgame tanks are supposed to cc not kill. the role that is meant to kill is ASSASINS whom cant even do shit unless its low elo where they always somehow get feeded for some reason i wonder why hmm.. we shall never know but yeh this is the problem

Perma CC3 votes

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aight, imma explain. how do you die as Darius simple... people above ur shitty elo can kite a champion whom only has move speed buffs and a slow that he needs to autoattack you to proc it. Also you have to actually go in to buy fucking time for your carries to do dmg you dont just sit next to your adc waiting to ult someone to take the kill you have to force their backline off your backline.

item 3033 this item yes this fucking item it exists in the game for people with an iq of 50+ makes champions who rely on healing USELESS. Darius relies on his heal to be an actual tank if a Darius doesnt get a few Q heals in a fight he will die he ISNT A TRUE TANK NOR HAS CC TO KEEP SOMEONE LOCKED DOWN TO CUT THEIR DPS. Sion is a true tank Sion has a shield and his W scales giving him MORE HP and he has C - C to help him deal with carries Darius only way of dealing with range is RUNNING UP ON THEM and hope he procs NOXIAN might to ult them and last time i checked supports have shields and redemptions to help heal the adc. Aight monkey boy? are you pleased? The same works For Illaoi thus why she is mostly useless outside lane phase and most juggs for that matter if not all of them. Happy? stay plat now.

I like how you just basically gave multiple examples of why there isn't a "damage creep".

""""Sion is a true tank Sion has a shield and his W scales giving him MORE HP and he has C - C to help him deal with carries Darius only way of dealing with range is RUNNING UP ON THEM and hope he procs NOXIAN might to ult them and last time i checked supports have shields and redemptions to help heal the adc. """"

And then you go on to try to insult me to make your point seem valid. Like... your attitude is the reason you aren't climbing and finding success. You want to blame everything on "damage creep" or these mass psychological hysteria's created by salty players. People naturally just refuse to try and learn from their mistakes and figure out other builds... and diverge from their cookie cutter builds. They also refuse to actually learn how to play the game... and just blame everything on "OP". Your issue is that you're playing at a level where people don't even know simple lane mechanics and map pressure or how to rotate. I mean i doubt you even play Darius at his maximum potential because if you did you wouldn't be complaining. He is a top teir top laner atm. The Stats don't back up your complaints.

dominusx3 votes

http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/EUNE/whirlingdeathx (my current main) http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/EUNE/LifeIsBasketball (i just got this acc back recently) http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/EUNE/FrozenReflection (i used this one to play flex with friends not mine ) my winrates dont lie. If i wanted to insult you i'd do in 500different ways believe me i'm an expert at insulting people even tho i lay off of it a lot of times. Dmg is too high the game revolves around who gets to oneshot eachother there is no skill involved anymore. tanks got overtuned to hell and back so they can survive but knowing rito they overdo it with their dmg so now they stay unkillable for 25 mins and maintain dmg at least if they were ONLY unkillable it would be perfectly fine but no they got both. and then you got the subclass bruisers/divers who get 2 dmg items and then full tank and somehow they dont die but still oneshot the game is a mess only viable champs are the ones who can go with 2 dmg items and 4tank items. this is both dmg and tank creep

Perma CC4 votes

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http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/EUNE/whirlingdeathx (my current main) http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/EUNE/LifeIsBasketball (i just got this acc back recently) http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/EUNE/LifeIsBasketball ( i used this one to play flex with friends ) my winrates dont lie. If i wanted to insult you i'd do in 500different ways believe me i'm an expert at insulting people even tho i lay off of it a lot of times. Dmg is too high the game revolves around who gets to oneshot eachother there is no skill involved anymore. tanks got overtuned to hell and back so they can survive but knowing rito they overdo it with their dmg so now they stay unkillable for 25 mins and maintain dmg at least if they were ONLY unkillable it would be perfectly fine but no they got both. and then you got the subclass bruisers/divers who get 2 dmg items and then full tank and somehow they dont die but still oneshot the game is a mess only viable champs are the ones who can go with 2 dmg items and 4tank items. this is both dmg and tank creep

"this is both dmg and tank creep" Literally an oxymoron. But we both obviously have different opinions on this. There is no point arguing when we aren't going to get anywhere. You arguing based on emotion from losing games... and there is no way that i can make you see the light when your tilted. You really can't complain when your playing the top teir top laner. LIKE. It's like getting Rengar every game and complaining that you die instantly every game and that because of that the game is unbalanced.

dominusx3 votes

you are fukin reta---d i swear to god whom doesnt even exist.What fukin emotion i have no fukin emotion when playing i'm like faker in terms of character when i game i dont talk or look anywhere else i just smirk when something funny happens. emotions speaking liek you are playing to the chair next to me. Yes when i build fucking tank i dont wanna die in 2seconds just the same thing that we dont need TANKS to kill squishies solo. the game is a fucking mess there is too much dmg and the tank builds are just way way too efficient. people used to have to choose DMG OR TANK OR UTILITY now there litterally everything in everyone that's why people Q-Q. I hate getting roled over by a tank poppy when i happen to autofill adc and i also hate getting killed in 2 seconds as a 350armo Shyvana or Rengar.

dont bother replying wasted enough braincells on you fk outta my face.

Perma CC2 votes

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you are fukin reta---d i swear to god whom doesnt even exist.What fukin emotion i have no fukin emotion when playing i'm like faker in terms of character when i game i dont talk or look anywhere else i just smirk when something funny happens. emotions speaking liek you are playing to the chair next to me. Yes when i build fucking tank i dont wanna die in 2seconds just the same thing that we dont need TANKS to kill squishies solo. the game is a fucking mess there is too much dmg and the tank builds are just way way too efficient. people used to have to choose DMG OR TANK OR UTILITY now there litterally everything in everyone that's why people Q-Q. I hate getting roled over by a tank poppy when i happen to autofill adc and i also hate getting killed in 2 seconds as a 350armo Shyvana or Rengar.

dont bother replying wasted enough braincells on you fk outta my face.

Your post is actually full of tilt its hilarious. I'm laughing reading how cringy and fucking emotion filled it is. You should calm down... whatever game you just lost and quickly ran to the boards to let steam out, it's really not worth going crazy over.

dominusx3 votes

38% winrate trash talking to me yeh right. you are just a sad excuse of a player who doesnt know how the game works simple and you come here tryna talk all smart and shit but in the end I'M the better player I know more about the game I deal with the meta in the divisions i play more consistently and on a higher level than you do yet you tryna prove me wrong when i'm saying there shouldnt be BOTH tankiness and DMG on champs that shouldnt have both. Just like when Darius gets to trigger Noxian might and auto ult the adc to kill it late game it's toxic....just like when Darius gets destroyed from ranges he cant reach even if he flashes. That's why META is obnoxius and hated add the whole i got a kill game is over type of gameplay promoted because hurr durr lcs was slow paced and you got a recipe for dissaster. Enjoy staying plat for the rest of the damn season.

Perma CC1 votes

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38% winrate trash talking to me yeh right. you are just a sad excuse of a player who doesnt know how the game works simple and you come here tryna talk all smart and shit but in the end I'M the better player I know more about the game I deal with the meta in the divisions i play more consistently and on a higher level than you do yet you tryna prove me wrong when i'm saying there shouldnt be BOTH tankiness and DMG on champs that shouldnt have both. Just like when Darius gets to trigger Noxian might and auto ult the adc to kill it late game it's toxic when Darius gets destroyed from ranges he cant reach even if he flashes. That's why META is obnoxius and hated add the whole i got a kill game is over type of gameplay promoted because hurr durr lcs was slow paced and you got a recipe for dissaster. Enjoy staying plat for the rest of the damn season.

LOL?????? Why are you so fucking tilted?

dominusx2 votes

i'm not i won 9/11 ( no pun intended ) games i played today. Had a nice open day for league and i took adv of it. but now i got a 38% winrate plat 5 player tryna teach me how the game works so yeh. i got some spare time to talk shit to him.

Nut Cream6 votes

"no pun intended" jesus dude you why do you want to avoid being a comedian now?

dominusx2 votes

no seriously xd

Perma CC5 votes

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LOL?????? Why are you so fucking tilted?

http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/EUNE/whirlingdeathx (my current main)
^if that is your current main... LOL which i doubt is. Prove it by actually posting with it. You wont because you just looked up a diamond account and posted a link to it. LOL

greekvandaL3 votes

hi.

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hi.

So your either boosted bought your account. OR you had your friend come post here. LOL There is no way you are Diamond 3 and this ignorant.

dominusx2 votes

ah i've lost hope after this one. blocking you or something lmao also it's sad how you upvote eachothers comments while downvoting mine thinking you make yourselfs more valid or something but w/e it's the NA boards i guess

Perma CC5 votes

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ah i've lost hope after this one. blocking you or something lmao

LOL. ANd if for some reason it is you and you got to diamond 3... its probably from spamming Darius and you've just peaked now and that is why you are bitching that you cant do anything. Or you're just an emotional trainwreck and are making diamond 3 players look bad.

Perma CC5 votes

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ah i've lost hope after this one. blocking you or something lmao also it's sad how you upvote eachothers comments while downvoting mine thinking you make yourselfs more valid or something but w/e it's the NA boards i guess

I mean to be fair. multiple people are upvoting not just my friend. I think you're just once again salty that your entire bitching is obviously you tilted off your ass and people are seeing it for what it is.

dominusx2 votes

w/e i'm happy that you are hardstuck plat trash! of to a new thread. if i was butthurt i'd tell you to kys probably but i'm reformed. ( nah i'm not )

Perma CC3 votes

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w/e i'm happy that you are hardstuck plat trash! of to a new thread. if i was butthurt i'd tell you to kys probably but i'm reformed. ( nah i'm not )

LOL, notice how i don't feel the need to defend my rank? Because I have nothing to prove to someone that is quite obviously either tilted, boosted or bought his account. But yea peace have fun "not being tilted". I'm surprised you allowed me to manipulate you this long into staying here talking. <or this is just reverse psychology and my way of silencing you for good because i know you won't respond to this... Or maybe that is reverse psychology. Also the Tyler1 fanboy is showing.

Nut Cream4 votes

reported for being tyler1

dominusx2 votes

nah it's 5am waiting for my gym to open in 3 hours watching CowboyBepop and shit talking a plat player good waste of time till i get to my daily program.You cant defend your rank cause you are a negative winrate player in a trash division lol... just like i wouldnt try to defend myself if a challenger played called me dogshit cause compared to him i probaly am. just like you compared to me you are dogshit xd. And i'm not tilted when i've been winning 89% of my games last 2 days so yeh nor you gonna trigger me you havent already i'm just wasting time while waiting for the episodes to load cause my net is laggy af qq

Perma CC5 votes

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nah it's 5am waiting for my gym to open in 3 hours watching CowboyBepop and shit talking a plat player good waste of time till i get to my daily program.You cant defend your rank cause you are a negative winrate player in a trash division lol... just like i wouldnt try to defend myself if a challenger played called me dogshit cause compared to him i probaly am. just like you compared to me you are dogshit xd. And i'm not tilted when i've been winning 89% of my games last 2 days so yeh nor you gonna trigger me you havent already i'm just wasting time while waiting for the episodes to load cause my net is laggy af qq

It's sad that all you can think to say to actually defend yourself is "trash plat" as if that means something? Why not stop tilting... and stop trash talking and talk cohesively... cause your spelling looks like you are drunk... I dont care about grammar and spelling normally but everything you post is literally cringy because it looks like you can barely spell any word at all. I mean you started insulting me, if you cant take it dont dish it. We were having a casual discussion and you let your emotions get the better of you. I think what you need is to go masterbate to CowboyBepop and let a little steam off. Also i fucking knew you would respond again. LOOOL. THE TILT SHOWS?

dominusx2 votes

xd sad. have a good day lad. may we never see eachother again my braincells wont handle it i might become ND5.

Perma CC3 votes

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xd sad. have a good day lad. may we never see eachother again my braincells wont handle it i might become ND5.

Bye LOL. Enjoy the fap!

Nut Cream2 votes

uh wtf this is the cringiest shit Ive read in a long time lmao

Perma CC1 votes

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uh wtf this is the cringiest shit Ive read in a long time lmao

I know right. LOL. LIKE WHAT???

What fukin emotion i have no fukin emotion when playing i'm like faker in terms of character when i game i dont talk or look anywhere else i just smirk when something funny happens. emotions speaking liek you are playing to the chair next to me.

dominusx2 votes

cringy just like the edgy letters you use on your names.

Nut Cream2 votes

Why are you so mad dude ... you need a hug? Legit these characters are just letters with umlauts are you racist toward umlauts? Why you gotta hate fam, stop drinking so much haterade

ok i cringed writing this

Perma CC1 votes

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Why are you so mad dude ... you need a hug? Legit these characters are just letters with umlauts are you racist toward umlauts? Why you gotta hate fam, stop drinking so much haterade

ok i cringed writing this

LOOL PII.

dominusx2 votes

that was a good one not gonna lie. i need some orange juice tho hook me up if you got spare i run outta oranges and gankplank isnt home.

Nut Cream5 votes

I actually do have some oranges!

Perma CC1 votes

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cringy just like the edgy letters you use on your names.

I mean they are pretty edgy aren't they. :D

RcGjWO640w3 votes

Unfortunately, the flaw with your logic is that defensive items are not as "defensive" in proportion to damage scalings now as they used to be.

The reason for the "damage creep" is that it's become more and more efficient to forego 1 or 2 defensive items for more damage, since damage scales way better with a lot of champions now. Rengar and Lb are good examples because they're more efficient as one-shot hypers than with any defensive stats. Their engage is safe enough and their damage is high enough to where they can reliably get in, one shot their target and get out without really worrying about the repercussions. They lose a lot of kill potential without actually gaining much in the way of defense.

With damage how it is now, even full tanks are having trouble standing up against a team's burst. Divers like Vi are now having issues even. Colosus is such a huge keystone, but even with 3.5k health, 150 armor and MR, plus shield, you can be nuked down so quickly by just doing your job.

This means that building defensively is becoming less worth it. It's better to deal more damage in the race to kill your opponent before they can kill you. It's a race of who can get their combo off first and who can one shot whom before the other one flashes.

That's why the "damage creep" is a thing. It's not like there's more damage in the game than there was before, but that the scaling of all of the new reworks and buffs have put tanks in a really shitty spot. Assassins get reworked to do more damage. ADC's get dicked on. ADC's are given more damage to compensate and tanks get dicked on.

Riot has even confirmed that tanks are the next big class to be reworked for this reason, because tanks need both the health to survive the buffs as well as the damage to be threatening to anyone who tries to solokill them without proper kiting.

Perma CC4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Run Down Mid,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AynNnEgY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-23T02:26:12.905+0000)

Unfortunately, the flaw with your logic is that defensive items are not as "defensive" in proportion to damage scalings now as they used to be.

The reason for the "damage creep" is that it's become more and more efficient to forego 1 or 2 defensive items for more damage, since damage scales way better with a lot of champions now. Rengar and Lb are good examples because they're more efficient as one-shot hypers than with any defensive stats. Their engage is safe enough and their damage is high enough to where they can reliably get in, one shot their target and get out without really worrying about the repercussions. They lose a lot of kill potential without actually gaining much in the way of defense.

With damage how it is now, even full tanks are having trouble standing up against a team's burst. Divers like Vi are now having issues even. Colosus is such a huge keystone, but even with 3.5k health, 150 armor and MR, plus shield, you can be nuked down so quickly by just doing your job.

This means that building defensively is becoming less worth it. It's better to deal more damage in the race to kill your opponent before they can kill you. It's a race of who can get their combo off first and who can one shot whom before the other one flashes.

That's why the "damage creep" is a thing. It's not like there's more damage in the game than there was before, but that the scaling of all of the new reworks and buffs have put tanks in a really shitty spot. Assassins get reworked to do more damage. ADC's get dicked on. ADC's are given more damage to compensate and tanks get dicked on.

Riot has even confirmed that tanks are the next big class to be reworked for this reason, because tanks need both the health to survive the buffs as well as the damage to be threatening to anyone who tries to solokill them without proper kiting.

Can you provide actual stats to backup what you are saying. You are just spouting stuff out of your ass. What makes you think that defensive items aren't actually defensive? I'm pretty sure just yesterday (and i mean this as a figure of speech) that people where bitching about the "tank" meta or how "op" C.o.C was. It's up and down back and forth with the people on the boards. The sad thing is... most of them are salty players that don't really understand any of the underlying mechanics of league at all... I especially hate seeing people complaining about EARLY GAME champions falling off late game. "Why do I just die in one shot late game when i went 6/1 in lane, ERMAGERd!!!< SOMETHING IS DEFINATELY WRONGT WITH LEAGUE... this is bs "OP OP OP" "DAMAGE CREEP" " <<literally this is all i see. "I went Morello, deathcap, void, ludens, sorc, in lane and GOT ONE SHOTTED LATE GAME WTF IS HAPPENING? why is everything "daamge creep"" << LIKE YOU LITERALLY have no defensive items... and are building pure damage... and complaining that its either you die in one hit or the enemy does... "Damage creep" is created by people not building defensively. Same with adc's.

Hexs Fortune1 votes

For an ADC they become useful once they get 3-4 items. They don't have high base stats so they cannot afford to waste time and gold on defensive half measures. Staying alive a little bit longer doesn't matter when you don't have the crit, attack speed, damage to take advantage of it

Perma CC1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hexs Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AynNnEgY,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-01-23T06:14:42.676+0000)

For an ADC they become useful once they get 3-4 items. They don't have high base stats so they cannot afford to waste time and gold on defensive half measures. Staying alive a little bit longer doesn't matter when you don't have the crit, attack speed, damage to take advantage of it

._. What are you even talking about. You do realize that staying alive longer means your doing more damage. For example say your autos do 10 damage with a raw damage item and you can do this every second so in 3 seconds you can get 30 damage out on someone who has 100 hp. But your against someone that can one shot you in 1 second. So you can get 10 damage off then you die. OR you can buy this defensive item that lets you do 5 damage but you survive for 6 seconds rather then 1 but now you only do 5 damage per auto. OVERALL your gaining more damage because you will be surviving longer to deal the damage (In 6 seconds you will deal 30 damage where as before you died and only did 10 even tho this item gave more damage). Thats just an example... of how defensive items actually increase your damage output. If you are full glass cannon but get one shotted by a mage then all the damage you bought is pointless. NOW if you build defensive items in between your buffering your damage by allowing you to survive longer in fights to deal the damage. IN some cases you actually end up dealing more damage with certain tank items then you do with just full glass cannon. Hell MAW even gives extra stats after its passive procs same with Steraks.

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