Give Nasus back his fiora-level dueling capabilities mid-late game

SquashCannon·Jun 15, 2017·13 votes·810 views

Partially revert wither nerf in season 3 please.

If 100% is too strong, perhaps try this out?

level 1 wither = 50% conversion of MS slow to AS slow level 2 wither = 55% conversion of MS slow to AS slow level 3 wither = 60% conversion of MS slow to AS slow level 4 wither = 65% conversion of MS slow to AS slow level 5 wither = 70% conversion of MS slow to AS slow

Nasus is forced to max either Q or E in lane so his lane phase will still be garbage, but this way he has a little more something to look forward to late game, especially where he should be shining which is duels (and most duelists and ADCs are auto oriented)

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Death by GlamourJun 15, 20173 votes

PalantairJun 15, 20172 votes

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No

I agree. There's a difference between dueling and just 1 shotting you.

He's fine as is.

If nasus chooses to level E his lane is actually quite oppressive. I'm not sure what it is you are talking about but nasus has good meaninful choices in the early game that will set him up in the late game for how you want him played. His W is quite cancerous to play against as well when he gets the mana to actually use it often enough to shove you out of lane. Please lets just not and let him stay how he is, he is in a good place.

SquashCannonJun 18, 20171 votes

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I agree. There's a difference between dueling and just 1 shotting you.

He's fine as is.

If nasus chooses to level E his lane is actually quite oppressive. I'm not sure what it is you are talking about but nasus has good meaninful choices in the early game that will set him up in the late game for how you want him played. His W is quite cancerous to play against as well when he gets the mana to actually use it often enough to shove you out of lane. Please lets just not and let him stay how he is, he is in a good place.

How the fuck is 46% WR fine

Darkdemon653Jun 15, 20172 votes

His dueling is not his problem, especially by the time he can start putting several ranks into W.

HateDaddyJun 15, 20171 votes

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His dueling is not his problem, especially by the time he can start putting several ranks into W.

As far as Q max Nasus goes, I still max W second tbh. E max second is shit vs tanks anyway and sheen + 150 stacks chunks squishies no matter what. I see no point in maxing E second other than to push. And if I'm that hell bent on pushing so early, I may as well max E first.

TheOvermindJun 15, 20171 votes

I agree, But for me it usually is the matchup. For example if im against Riven or Pantheon top, then ill max E 2nd, cuz the atk speed slow doesnt really help vs them. Whereas vs Tryndamere, Trundle, Irelia, Jax, I want that W max ASAP.

HateDaddyJun 15, 20171 votes

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I agree, But for me it usually is the matchup. For example if im against Riven or Pantheon top, then ill max E 2nd, cuz the atk speed slow doesnt really help vs them. Whereas vs Tryndamere, Trundle, Irelia, Jax, I want that W max ASAP.

It helps immensely vs Riven and Pantheon lol

Riven a combos are auto attack dependent and her ult gives her a massive AD steroid where she still AAs between cooldowns. Pantheons passive is refreshed by auto attacks too. Tbh, reducing AS on anyone early/mid is a big fuckin deal.

AL000Jun 15, 20171 votes

Don't forget Fiora has very low cd to dash to escape...

Sun Wu RyuumokuJun 15, 20171 votes

Lmao, i garantee u dont wan't this to happen.

HateDaddyJun 15, 20171 votes

Absolutely not. They hit withers attack speed slow perfectly. Reducing its range was severe overkill. Nasus still wins a lot of duels and quite frankly, as much as it pains me to say it, he wins them in an incredibly unhealthy way. No real way to outplay him, he stat checks you and it's a matter of if and not when Nasus can outduel you. Any buff to either just re-enforces this further and it's this very reason that Nasus hasn't had a meaningful buff in years. Stat checkers tend to be extremely binary and Nasus is not an exception.

Nasus is weak and buffs would help. However, Nasus needs more than buffs at this point. His kit is simply too outdated. All the buffs in the world won't change that and as the game continues to evolve, Nasus continues to fall behind. You can keep budding him with this trend every so often but you're always doing so with the fear that each buff could push him overboard. This is not a good way to balance a champion that clearly needs significant changes.

RengoooJun 16, 20171 votes

If they buff nasus it needs to be something enemies can actually play around, right now hes just the ultimate stat check champ. Buffing wither seems like it would just make him more stat check. It would be nice if they could do something a bit more interesting with his E, not entirely sure what but its one of the few abilities enemies can play around at the moment so seems an ideal place for buff/changes.