http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/05/519-pbe-update.html#more
Bork is back to 8% for all users, instead its life steal is going from 15 to 12%
If Riot actually thinks this is somehow going to change anything it won't. Bork is still going to be disgustingly powerful and lucian and other on-hit marksmen are still going to be annoying as shit and melting tanks way too fast into the mid and late game.
NinjaGuy6927 votesBork is back to 8% for all users, instead its life steal is going from 15 to 12%
If Riot actually thinks this is somehow going to change anything it won't. Bork is still going to be disgustingly powerful and lucian and other on-hit marksmen are still going to be annoying as shit and melting tanks way too fast into the mid and late game.
This shows that Riot doesn't know what to do with the item. They want it to be as good of an option as the bloodthirster and mercurial scimtar but they don't want to nerf it so hard that it'll just go back to being a niche item. Unfortunately, they can't have both things.
Spoofghoul2 votesMaybe it's time to get rid of the item and replace it with an item which gives AD + AS + a portion of your AD as magic damage on hit
No more lifesteal instead it just give more attack speed
Packun Flower1 votesThis shows that Riot doesn't know what to do with the item.
Riot does not know what to do with their fucking game! Nevermind a single item.
PhDs Nuts21 votes"We tried 8%, we tried 4%, what else can we do?!! There are no other possible options!"
RecessHero2 votesIt was stuck at 6% earlier this year and no one was buying it really. The BoRK changes are what brought ADCs back up from their perceived (not saying if this is correct or not) trough because it gave them an early game item to get them to late game. I would much rather Riot tweak significant BoRK abusers than the item. I would also rework Bloodthirster again because that item doesnt' seem to have a place in the game with BoRK, Merc Scim, and Death Dance drowning it out.
Joxcab4 votesThey're not supposed to be good with BOTRK lmfao
macromite3 votesbotrk is meant to be a bruiser item, with a few synergizes in marksman and skirmisher class
Mira Arya Enthe2 votesBotRK is suppose to be an on-hit, AD/AS, sustain item to counter tanks. And anybody who needs those assets should be able to buy it. While I agree 6% for ranged should go through, the item is not specifically for bruisers.
GULAG 4 U6 votesListen to hashinshin ffs. 6.5%.
General Esdeath 15 votesListen to hashinshin
They're looking for good advice
AirKingNeo2 votesAnd he gave it but they choose to ignore it. The man had a dream, a dream of patch notes that would fix League. He could save others from inting, but he couldn't save himself.
https://i.imgur.com/Yygcr95r.jpg
"But it doesn't nerf any of the champions he plays!!!" Well no shit, all the champions he plays are weak.
statelesskiller2 votesi mean i knew he had some good idea for balancing but i didnt realize they where THAT good. can riots balancing department hire him? plz?
AirKingNeo1 votesNo that would be logical to hire a multiseason challenger compared to silver and gold..
GULAG 4 U5 votesExcept most of hashinshin's balance ideas aren't that bad. Riot has listened to him word by word before.
Votable Jester4 votesIt was at 6% for ranged for like a day.
ChaddyFantome13 votesEzreal bursts assassins faster than assassin with that thing, is aids.
ItzBongoz5 votesEzreal bursts assassins faster than assassin with that thing, is aids.
Ezreal is at a 44% winrate last I checked, I don't see a problem with it.
General Esdeath 6 votesYou can do a shit ton of damage and be at a low winrate. Remember Riven when tanks were a big thing top? She can shred those things but damn does she suck in team fights vs CC (Which most tanks carry with them).
Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votesEz is garbage atm... just saying
Hella Kaiser1 votesEzreal can burst assassins faster than assassins even without botrk
you just have to go ap
ClutchisClutch1 votesezreal can not burst with bork, even at full build he cant
ModAcademy Kayn9 votesJust cause the Community praises something, doesn't mean it's a good change. People liked the original concept of Malz rework, and look where he is now. Theory and actual implementation are fairly separate.
AirKingNeo2 votesExcept this was a nerf, and something even high elo players praised as a change.
This isn't a rework that no one had any idea what would happen.
Sqkerg1 votesNo one has any idea what will happen for ANY change...
SquashCannon1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Mercy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6iPPhA5T,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2017-05-21T06:45:06.044+0000)
Just cause the Community praises something, doesn't mean it's a good change. People liked the original concept of Malz rework, and look where he is now. Theory and actual implementation are fairly separate.
I dont recall anyone praising malzahar rework before it shipped.
I remember everyone seeing his new passive and immediately recognizing that malzahar was going to be a class A shit show.
The only thing the community semi praised (and by semi I mean it was contested by many and supported by many) was him being more of a minion mancer since people didn't realize just HOW MUCH power was going to be put into his minions.
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesYou never read the Dev post for the Rework then. People liked it in theory, but it failed in implementation.
Xaytsr8 votesI dunno why they don't just half it for ranged champions like a couple other things that get halfed for ranged champs... js... It'd still be strong for melee and useful for ranged champs but won't make dealing with ranged champs too painful. Just my thoughts...
Rexxiee3 votesI dunno why they don't just half it for ranged champions like a couple other things that get halfed for ranged champs... js...
Because botrk was reworked to be mainly an ADC ITEM... jesus you ppl cant understand it can you?
Joxcab5 votesNo, it fucking wasn't.
Chembaron Yamada2 votesStatement from Meddler:
[...] We think it's appropriate that BotRK is a strong item on some ADCs and that was one of its original intended goals that the recent changes to it were meant to reinforce. [...]
Not saying that it was just reworked to be an ADC item. But he clearly said here that making it a strong ADC item was one of the original intended goals of the changes. It is supposed to be a strong ADC item. Frozen Mallet, for example, wasn't, hence it has the melee/ranged split. But making an item weaker for the group who is absolutely intended to buy it is strange.
Melledoneus10 votesBoRK was not reworked for anyone. It was reworked so its active doesn't eat up so much of its power budget.
ProfDrDeath1 votes...allocating the freed-up power into the item's primary purpose of countering health-stacking.
As its performance showed, the buffs were a bit on the strong side, and the item warrants nerfs. Riot's first intention might have been to nerf it for ranged champions, given that these are the more stand-out users (Blade buffs and Lethality nerfs changed the competitive ADC meta, both in champions picked and in item builds). However, I can imagine that a more in-depth look at the data revealed a too high general strength of the item (for melee examples: Fizz top in competitive, Yasuo/Tryndamere/Irelia/Yi/Xin in regular play).
Melledoneus2 votesThank you... for that observation. I do appreciate it, but I was just telling the idiot above that BoRK wasn't reworked for anyone.
Who is Taliyah7 votesI imagine they found out that lowering the damage was too heavy on certain champions so they try out lifesteal now.
Do not underestimate 3% lifesteal tho, it can make a huge difference at times.
SquashCannon11 votesI imagine they found out that lowering the damage was too heavy on certain champions so they try out lifesteal now.
Do not underestimate 3% lifesteal tho, it can make a huge difference at times.
"too heavy on certain champs"
You mean ranged champs? The ones who end up breaking bork anyways?
I am going to underestimate 3% lifesteal though because it's still better than the original 10%, and it scales very well with the 8% instead of the original 6%.
Bork is going to be powerful after this nerf, it won't change shit.
PB4UAME1 votesIt's not losing 3% lifesteal though. From the start of this season alone, it will be +2% current hp damage on hit, and +2% lifesteal.
It's still better than it was post second un-needed buff, if this goes to a live patch.
Dorado3 votesI really don't have any clue why they did this. ADC's are way too oppressive in the meta right now. They're supposed to scale yet they get to abuse this broken item that gives them essentially everything an ADC wants. There's no downside to rushing this thing on 90% of ad's. They're gonna need to go through with ranged specific nerfs to AD items eventually, or we're just gonna keep seeing shit like ghostblade rush on every AD like we had a few months ago.
VoraciousX3 votesI think if they kept the changes to ninja tabi it'd be fine, but they reverted those too last I checked. Although if they kept those tabi changes tanks would be impossible to deal with.
Botrk was seen as garbage when it had 6% on hit and a BETTER active...
They would make the item trash with that change, thats why the reverted.
While this is true, back then BORK was mainly an attack speed item, now it's going in Bloodthirster's general direction of things(something I personally don't agree with), it gives less attack speed now but more AD.
LadyRenly3 votesnerf. the. goddamn. AD.
Why does Riot think the %hp is the problem when bork has always been a %hp item? If you want AD, go buy freaking IE or Youmuus. %hp and flat ad should never be combined
No shit it breaks Lucian
Nanuk Pihoqahiak2 votesWeird idea. What if instead of life steal, it simply gave you healing based on the physical damage it did based on the current health damage?
Weaponized Hips2 votesI just think they oughta leave the damage and lifesteal the same, and make it so it doesn't apply to the bonus damage. I feel like that's the most broken part of it. "here, an item that does free bonus damage, gives attackspeed, and let's you lifesteal for the extra damage you deal!"
Cosmic Warper2 votes3% lifesteal... do they really think that's an appropriate nerf lmao
Erockandroll1 votes[{quoted}](name=Cosmic Warper,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6iPPhA5T,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2017-05-21T06:46:20.517+0000)
3% lifesteal... do they really think that's an appropriate nerf lmao
It's going to depend on the Direction that they take BotRK.
The very fact that the %Current HP shred, can work both as a stand alone base damage item on several Fighter types, as well as acting as Tank shred on AS scaling champions. While the Life steel component pretty much allows one to duel and Drain tank. It's effectively a Jack of all Trades item in that regards.
Another potential issue with the LS component, is the fact that A) BotRK's passive also applies life steal, which could be balanced on it's own, but makes stacking LS items a problem. And when we have LS on Mecurials or Blood thirster. We could easily end up with 25-35% Life steal on the same build, and applying to the %hp shred. (Which might explain how horrible drain tanking can become.)
Doozku2 votesThey are testing their options. It's the PBE for a reason
Troll for Trump2 votesMaybe it's time to nerf the item-abuser Lucian
Piercing Light (Q) mana cost increased from 50/55/60/65/70 to 60/70/80/90/100
70-100 is a little large, but that's late-game. Should probably nerf more of his early or midgame
ForgiveColour2 votes"Late game"
Yeha because lucian max q last for sure dude
Troll for Trump1 votesGiven how fast games are decided these days, it's basically approaching lategame
Profirix2 votesIts actually a HUGE nerf...and i HATE lucian. He casts his q almost as much as hos dash late game. Essence Reaver will be the only way to go now.
Mira Arya Enthe2 votesThis is really a shame. While I thought 6% was more fair this was a very solid change and should have went through. This will hurt people like Shyvana without fixing the actual problem.
Vekkna1 votesRadical idea here, but why don't they just give it an internal cooldown? Sheen has a 1.5 second cooldown. Duskblade has a cooldown built into its mechanic. Why not give the %hp an ICD of, like.... 2/10 of a second just to slow the burst from instant double hits and abuse-case chain resets?
