Does anyone ban Morgana because she is a strong mid laner?

HP Crookshanks·Mar 28, 2019·4 votes·2,913 views

Because it looks like balance team thinks her ban rate is high because of her strength in mid lane not because as a support she makes her ADC immune to CC with her shield, counters the most popular support and snares the enemy ADC or support for 3 seconds.

Champions: 1 - Morgana Middle 2 - Vayne Bottom 3 - Urgot Top 4 - Jinx Bottom 5 - Riven Top

Only 1 (Morgana Middle) and 3 (Urgot Top) are going to be nerfed but the stats are misleading. Morgana is banned because she's played as support not mid.

15 Comments

Chembaron YamadaMar 28, 20196 votes

I actually do ban her from time to time because of her mid lane.

It's not too long ago that I had a match against a Morgana in mid. Mind you, we won that game, but it was honestly just the most unfun experience playing mid lane I ever had in my life.

She was just permanently shoving the wave with her W. Any form of aggression towards her she denied with her shield and Q. So basically the first 15 minutes of the game I literally just got to play farming simulator at my tower. I even had more fun in the times Zed was totally busted and oneshotted me with a single combo. The playstyle of Morgana mid is just based on completely negating any kind of player interaction and this is just not fun, I felt like a bot.

Rock MDMar 28, 20193 votes

It would not surprise me if she was banned for her mid gameplay.

There's nothing I hate more than someone outperforming me with no capability to actually play the role, just hard shoves and roams. Same reason my collegiate team regularly bans Malzahar.

ParoeMar 28, 20191 votes

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It would not surprise me if she was banned for her mid gameplay.

There's nothing I hate more than someone outperforming me with no capability to actually play the role, just hard shoves and roams. Same reason my collegiate team regularly bans Malzahar.

Why dont you out shove her? Just about every other mage will out push morgana in her current state and her PBE nerfs will help with that. Morgana clears about as fast as malzahar without a voidling, and she goes out of mana pretty fast if shes shoving without a lost chapter. As a support morgana/nami player, i rely heavily on lost chapter (morgana) and tear of the goddess (nami) with mana flow band to stay mana flush and STILL run out of mana sometimes without an ocean drake.

RagnaveilMar 28, 20191 votes

Issue is, her W got changed to deal up to 170% damage based on the target's missing HP, and with minions not having such high magic resist, means that damage is further amplified.

ParoeMar 28, 20191 votes

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Issue is, her W got changed to deal up to 170% damage based on the target's missing HP, and with minions not having such high magic resist, means that damage is further amplified.

If i remember right that wasnt really a substantial buff and more a streamlining of the ability? But definitely her W alone can clear casters with support AP now, which it couldnt before. A nice change.

Rock MDMar 28, 20192 votes

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Why dont you out shove her? Just about every other mage will out push morgana in her current state

Are you missing your W on the minions or something? I'm trying to figure out how you don't get the lane pushing from level 1 onward, because every Morg I've played with has absolutely zero issue with pushing.

ParoeMar 28, 20191 votes

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Are you missing your W on the minions or something? I'm trying to figure out how you don't get the lane pushing from level 1 onward, because every Morg I've played with has absolutely zero issue with pushing.

Her W is unreliable to get all 6 minions in, and with both a 12 second cooldown (7 or 8 with 40% CDR) and competition from higher damage AoE shes really hard to not out push unless youre trying to let her shove - which is a viable strategy much like it is against malzahar. But thats in the mid lane. In the bot lane, morgana combined with her marksman is a very fast and effective shove. Its actually why shes getting a ratio nerf from 16 to 14% - to reduce the amount of accidental farm stealing in lane.

Morgana DeusMar 28, 20191 votes

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It would not surprise me if she was banned for her mid gameplay.

There's nothing I hate more than someone outperforming me with no capability to actually play the role, just hard shoves and roams. Same reason my collegiate team regularly bans Malzahar.

So you think the only people who know how to play mid lane are the ones who play dueling champions? Sounds pretty boring.

Rock MDMar 29, 20192 votes

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So you think the only people who know how to play mid lane are the ones who play dueling champions? Sounds pretty boring.

No. The people who know how to play midlane are the ones who know what to do with the wave in multiple scenarios. Shoving and roaming is only one of those strategies.

I can't stress how many people I know are playing some shit like Malzahar, 3 minions are coming their way, and instead of freezing the wave to punish me for a bad back, they clear the minions and they shove the next wave so that I get all the farm right as I'm coming back.

It's frustrating because they don't actually understand how to punish players and they play back and hope they don't get punished/someone missteps rather than making any good moves themselves.

I want to get punished for a bad move. I want to feel like I should learn not to do that again and grow to better play the game. Watching some idiot play Morg mid to play on a handicap and nullify all aggression is just loathsome.

Metal JannaMar 28, 20192 votes

I ban Morgana because she counters me in the support position.

RekseeMar 28, 20192 votes

I ban morg when I play Janna because with one button she negates my ult knockback, my knockup, and my berd. [sg-janna]

Daddy AntsMar 28, 20192 votes

Morgana is banned by the virgin Blitzcrank Thresh Leona Nautilus Pyke players because they lack the knowledge to bait out a spell before mongoloiding their own cooldowns.

JaspersMar 28, 20192 votes

This is why the #1 of his chart confused me. No champ has a 40% ban but 3% play.

The ban rate is a general ban rate while the play and win is for mid only. She's banned from botlane due to her power/spell shield there, not mid.

MavëríckMar 28, 20191 votes

The morgana stats are bullshit. She didn't recieve any buffs. Only some minor reworks. Shes the same. Yasuo and Riven are toxic as ever and not being touched.

OleandervineMar 28, 20191 votes

I'm pretty sure Riot can view statistics on their end and see if Morgana's pick rate mid may have spiked, if her win rate mid may have spiked, and if opposing mid laners started banning her more often than they banned other mid lane counters.

I mean, don't quote me, but I would think they'd look at all of those statistics before making that kind of statement like you're claiming. After all, her support role hasn't actually changed all that much, it's virtually the exact same as it has been for years now.