Zed nerf: Shadows expire twice as fast under turrets

And then gets a good bit of it back. Then waits those 14 seconds and does it again.

Azir's soldiers can be walked out of much easier than avoiding Zed swapping with his shadow and pushing R on you.

Azir also wont be tower diving you unless you're a for sure kill and he has an escape plan. In which case Zed would of killed you already while Azir was working on his plan.

Not saying this idea would fix him. But your counter augment isn't very strong.

Thank you for explaining this to these people. God bless you. Most of the time when you use your shadow and your E and your Q it takes all your energy. People always say "Zed has no counter play" Yes he does. There's a lot of counter play to zed. If you see him use his Shadow then E and Q you know 2 things: 1. He has no energy. 2. He has no moves to use for a few seconds. That is plenty of time to go up to him and damage him in some way.

I'm getting sick of so many people saying that Zed needs a nerf and that he is too OP. Yes he is very strong but he's also very hard to learn. I don't care what anyone says. Zed is a hard champion to fully master and yes a person who hasn't mastered the ways of the forbidden ninja don't do great. I can tell if a Zed is bad within the first 3 minutes of the game and I can ruin his game because of his inexperience.

And one more little rant about Zed haters. Look at his Kit. His Q is a skillshot that deals less damage depending on how many people it goes through. His W does no damage (it does give him bonus AD but no actual damage is dealt by it) and allows him to move over terrain and also gap close to champions. His E is a short ranged AOE damaging spell. KEY WORD SHORT. It literally only hits people right next to him. Now lets look at someone else. Now I'm not calling Kat OP but her kit seems a bit overwhelming especially in an experienced players hands. She has a POINT AND CLICK RANGED DAMAGING Q (Zeds is a skilshot) Her W is basically the same as Zed's E. Her E is a fucking cancerous blink that she can cast on almost anything and it deals damage. I think it's stupid that she can jump to an ally with a move that does damage and not damage them. She can also jump to wards and to fucking minnions. That is cancer. Not to mention her annoying as passive that allows Kat players to just spam QWER and then do it again and again and again. Plus all of her moves do damage unlike Zed's. So before you go calling him OP look at what his kit really is.

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How about because Zeds shadow has a 14 second CD and Azir's soldiers have a 8 second CD. And the soldiers can attack multiple times whereas Zed has 1 Q and max 2 Es per shadow.

And Azir only spends mana on the soldier cast, not the actual damage, whereas Zed spends all of his energy bar just to do a single ranged combo.

You should have stopped at the first two points. The difference between Energy and Mana makes that pointless. Zed uses most of his Energy, but that can be regenerated within 12 or so seconds. If you use up your mana as Azir, you will have to wait up to 20-40 seconds based on your mana regeneration at the time, and that is to create the soldier.

Azir's sustained damage is, however, the reason they have a reduced time under towers since that would be insane if Azir could just place two soldiers under your tower and ACTUALLY zone you out of the lane. Zed can also only make one shadow with his W, where as Azir can make up to three, I think sometimes for for a split second or so.

Yes!

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Stop trying to nerf zed hes not the strongest mid almost the last good assas and wont be changed as he is healthy for the game. so please stop its both annoying and its not helping. If you spent half the time trying to learn how to vs zed than trying to learn how to qq about him you wouldnt be here

The change doesn't affect anything outside of turret range, and Riot has already made similar changes such as the Point-&-Clicks to Skillshots like , so I don't see why is it so detrimental to change Zed's W style like Azir's.

I disagree, he's the only assassin that hasn't received a nerf and is the only one who can push a tower. Something's not right there. I honestly think Riot shouldn't have nerfed many of the assassins they did, but to leave the AD tower pushing assassin standing strong while the AP assassins can't even roam anymore is just stupid. Zed has Tower pushing, AND assassin power that the AP assassins don't have. I mean Zed is easy to counter in lane with exhaust and such, so I understand how to counter zed, my problem is his map pressure compared to any other AP assassin considering they only had kill pressure, never turret pressure while zed still has both.

By the same logic, Oriana's ball should have a smaller return radius when it's cast under a tower.

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Azir also has a max range before soldiers disappear; He's not allowed to leave one and then run half way across the map, and dash back to it to juke.

Meanwhile, Zed...

There different champions with different play styles. Azir and zed are very diffreant. In fact thats like comparing sona and fiora in playstyle. Yes they both sustain..anything else? Sona and fiora Yes they both can poke...anything else? Azir and zed

Azir can also have up to 3 soldiers at a time and at 40% CDR they basically have no cooldown and can all attack at once.

Zed can only have 1 shadow, EVEN IF you hypothetically use W, hits 5 enemies with Zed's(original)E at max CDR twice, the first shadow will simply disappear when you cast a new one.

Oh and can Zed use his shadow to damage turrets?

Zed can't teleport back to his W when he is out of range... The only reason why zed can teleport back to his R half way across the map is because it is an Ultimate and it is a 120 second cooldown.

No. Just no. ######that is the dumbest thing i've heard today

Not saying that the rework fixed Veigar, but he was far from healthy before his rework. 2 click abilities that did high damage (his ult if it hits, almost always kills the enemy apc, even in one shot), and then heaven forbid his stun cage. The argument that you were able to avoid it prior to the added delay is bullcrap as he just places it over you and bam! Essentially free 2 second plus stun with absolutely little warning. Made it so easy to get kills. It's a miracle he still even has his ult in it's current form, I hear more people complaining about his ult AFTER the rework than before.

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This is actually a great idea. It doesn't actually hit zeds damage, it just prevents him from being such a lane bully tower diver once he hits six if he is ahead. I mean he can already drop tower agro with his ult. Would allow his enemy laners to actually farm under tower safe if he has to. He is already good at farming under his own tower anyway.

If you're under turret, is wasting his shadow to harass you, and your jungler isn't ganking, good luck winning the game with a jungler that bad.