"Garen's targeted silence shouldn't be instant" - enemy Jayce

Big Lincoln·Dec 15, 2016·67 votes·3,886 views

but an instant knockback is okay xd

but for real riot, let's remove that horrible delay on Garen's Q

76 Comments

Critmaster GarenDec 15, 201622 votes

instant targeted knockback with 20% max health damage.

MarshbouyDec 15, 20167 votes

20% max health damage.

yeah if he's level 18

Big LincolnDec 15, 20169 votes

he doesn't start the game level 18

top kek what game are you even playing dude?

ˆDekoˆDec 15, 20164 votes

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top kek what game are you even playing dude?

He is right. If you max it last, it will do 20% max health damage at LEVEL 18

TotalJerkDec 15, 20162 votes

It's a 4chanism. He's joking.

Critmaster GarenDec 15, 20162 votes

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yeah if he's level 18

he doesnt need to be lvl 18 to have 5 points in the ability. he can easily max it second. most of the time he doesnt use his w anyway.

LeetriDec 15, 20165 votes

Jayce maxes Q, W and then E, in that order. You don't even put a 2nd point in E until level 14 according to the most popular and highest win rate builds.

xelakerDec 16, 20161 votes

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yeah if he's level 18

can you even get that high in league?!? this guy is totally right, jayce cant get to level 18 it's right there in his passive

xeviDec 15, 201618 votes

What if for April Fool's, Riot switched the abilities of all the champions. Would be funny seeing Jayce complain about getting kited, being unable to poke from a safe distance, and only 100-0ing squishies over 4 seconds rather than just 2

TheSequelsRBadDec 15, 201627 votes

That could be really cool, Riot could swap the abilities of every champ in league, tell no one, and watch as chaos commences when people log in with Teemo abilities on Draven ADC.

SpoofghoulDec 15, 20165 votes

Haha i can totally see this happening just turn shit into complete chaos

playing TahmKench

with Singed Q and Veigar W and Zac E With Teemo R

And Sion passive but, sion passive also has an ability which is now Garen R

Mig89Dec 15, 201612 votes

This would be an awesome Gamemode. Pick a champ then pick a champ's abilities and stats. Like having a Jinx with Darius kit. Swinging fishbones like an axe, etc

vanguard255Dec 15, 20161 votes

There is actually such gamemode in Dota 2, though champions assigned randomly.

NiceTryViDec 15, 20161 votes

BRB downloading Dota 2

Suspicious XebraDec 15, 20161 votes

I smell a new rotating game mode!

ninjaroxasDec 16, 20161 votes

Sounds like a nightmare to code

Friendly RamDec 15, 20168 votes

ok then also remove the delay on ulti so i stop getting ulted after i flash.

SchàdenfreudeDec 15, 20167 votes

It's simply that he casted before you flash so you die after it. Keep in mind it was your choice to flash, and therefore you wasted a summoner spell.

Friendly RamDec 15, 20162 votes

the animation can start after i flashed and still hit me.

SchàdenfreudeDec 15, 201610 votes

Exactly. You can auto someone and they can flash during that animation and it would still hit them. You can do this on any melee champion.

LeetriDec 15, 20167 votes

Doesn't all targeted abilities/auto attacks do this? If you flash out of range of say a Veigar ult you're still gonna get hit by it.

Irelia BotDec 15, 20164 votes

Well fi Garen's Q clast time is getting reduced I want Irelia's E cast tiem reduced as well.

Serously it stops basically nothign form going off.

Or wait is this suppose to be counterplay?

Well in that case I demand that Jayce knock back have a long wind up like he is swinging a 20 pound sledge.

MrWasjigDec 15, 20169 votes

Are you going to become the Malicious Metal of Irelia? Wherein you find any means possible to shift a thread onto the subject of your favourite champion apropos of nothing?

Glory ln DeathDec 15, 20161 votes

You know a buff that League really needs to see? Sion should be able to flash during his ult - I mean, Gragas, Sejuani, etc can all flash during their dashes, and Sion's ult isn't even a dash! He's just running fast!

NiceTryViDec 15, 20161 votes

How dare you insult MM. He is a global treasure!

MrWasjigDec 16, 20163 votes

I insulted MM? I think you're misinterpreting pointing out the obvious...

NiceTryViDec 16, 20161 votes

I have never seen MM hijack a thread for Morde, ever. He may mention it from time to time, but he never straight up tries to change the subject of a thread.

MrWasjigDec 26, 20162 votes

I'd disagree but, clearly you're missing the fact I was JOKING By pointing out the fact that MM has a tendency to talk about Mordekaiser a lot, even on threads totally unrelated to the champion.

NiceTryViDec 26, 20161 votes

There is no way to interpret that as a joke. Tone is as important as wording, and tone is extremely difficult to convey over text.

Irelia BotDec 23, 20161 votes

I don't go around making these threads about adding unneeded power to Irelia.

I am just giving an example of what it would look like on another champ.

MrWasjigDec 26, 20161 votes

I'm just joking, since I've seen you crop up in lots of threads talking about Irelia...just reminded me of MM :P You'd be surprised how many people can't take a joke around here....

Irelia BotDec 26, 20161 votes

It is challenging to tell if someone is joking or not.

MrWasjigDec 26, 20161 votes

Intelligence is another thing that is highly challenged around the Boards...not yours however, Sir.

ZedexDec 15, 20161 votes

Irelia's E is easily the most broken thing about her lol. The stun alone makes her win the lane.

TotalJerkDec 15, 20164 votes

It's bad enough that Garen is a low mobility melee champion with no poke. The fact that he has to do an animation just to get a silence is just insult to injury.

ZerenzaDec 15, 20161 votes

Tbh juggernauts shouldn't have silences XD They also shouldn't have targeted true damage executes (darius, Garen and Cho'gath) but ya know. Counterplay is fking great.

Big LincolnDec 15, 20163 votes

"juggernauts shouldn't have things their kit is balanced around" why? they already have no mobility and none of them have hard CC that lasts more than a second. they need to be even more limited in what they're allowed to have?

Counterplay is fking great.

don't let them in melee range? don't let Darius get 5 stacks and his ult won't do a lot? Garen's ult only does true damage if you're the villain; build magic resistance because hexdrinker fucks him up.

ZerenzaDec 15, 20161 votes

Yes, how is a squishy champion supposed to get away from a garen if he Q's them, starts spinning doing 75% of their health and then executes them with a 1000 base damage ultimate. The same thing happens when a darius yolo dives the back line, cho'gath often doesn't but if your bellow 50% of your health and your a squishy, he'll just target you and eat you.

"not letting someone get near you" isn't exactly as easy as you make it sound. Sometimes you can't help it if they get near you and if they silence you, where's the counterplay? There is none, you can't dash away, you can't flash, you can't CC them with an ability, you can't use items. You. Can't. Do. Anything.

Edit: A juggernaut sacrifices his mobilty and CC for raw damage and tankiness, if a juggernaut get's within range(and it's not exactly hard for any good juggernaut player) then any squishy champion in front them is likely going to die if they don't CC lock, dash or flash away. With garen you can't do that, the second he hits you with Q your done for. If darius get's 1 Q in the middle of a teamfight and hits your squishies, he can just ult them because it does ridiculous damage.

This is comming from a fellow juggernaut main, i know they shouldn't have silences and true damage executes in the same kit, its idiotic and poor game health design which is the exact reason, as qouted by a rioter that garen needs to be in a nerfed state in the first place.

(i should add though that jayce is bullshit and he had no right to complain about what he did XD)

Big LincolnDec 16, 20164 votes

garen's ultimate has 525 base damage at rank 3.

Yes, how is a squishy champion supposed to get away from a garen if he Q's them

by hitting him with any CC. even throwing a slow at him after he Qs ruins his advance. "The same thing happens when a darius yolo dives the back line" 4 other people should be peeling him.

you are only listing situations where you have already been outplayed. You have to counter-play them before they get to that point. For Garen and Darius it's literally as simple as knowing how to kite; all you have to do is dodge Cho'Gath's Q and he won't even catch an Anivia. You shouldn't get to do anything when they beat you; you had all the time before that point to avoid them, dodge them, kite them, and you didn't

Iźuku MidoriyaDec 16, 20161 votes

but still, if people have to peel for you from darius, whoever goes near him gets pulled, slowed and then he gets all of his stacks and then can go ham even more. Also garen doesnt really care because no matter what this guy will run at the villain especially because once his q is backup itll reduce slows on him

Shaco my BFFDec 16, 20161 votes

Problem with Garen's and Cho'Gath's silence is that it leaves to counterplay. Enemy can't cast anything for the entire trade duration. This is the same reason LB was changed.

Big LincolnDec 16, 20163 votes

no, Leblanc was changed because she has a dash and a silence

Does Garen have a dash? Is his silence ranged?

Does Cho'Gath have a dash?

Shaco my BFFDec 16, 20161 votes

Leblanc's silence was removed because enemies weren't able to strike back. Get your facts right.

PB4UAMEDec 19, 20162 votes

Because, get this, she could dash in, silence them and dash out, all with no delays, point and click, and she could be back where she started (up to 1250 range away from her target) before the Q even hit. Then, the other champ couldn't use their own long range abilities or gap closers to try to get anything off on her as they were silenced.

It mostly had to do with her dash, and then her range, and the silence was simply the straw that broke the chance for counterplay's back. It was not the silence by itself-- that would be tantamount to just saying CC is lacking counterplay cause you can't do what it prevents while it stops you from doing just that; a nonsensical argument, to be sure.

Iźuku MidoriyaDec 15, 20161 votes

its because there is no way to counter true damage or a silence, thats why most silences are out of the game

ZerenzaDec 16, 20161 votes

Yeah, i mean, i feel like garen should have a silence but he shouldn't have a true damage execute along side it. Infact i feel like his villain mechanic needs to be reworked into something more useful to him so it's not as...weird and clunky to play with and kind of limits his strength to one person.

Iźuku MidoriyaDec 16, 20161 votes

well like in team fights, the villain is usually the fed one so i just charge at that one person and then after when they die in two seconds and i dont have my ult im pretty much useless