Regarding Ziggs ADC

RocketRelm·Dec 31, 2016·2 votes·4,636 views

I think most people have heard about this by now, where Ziggs as an APC is sent bot lane into the farm position, because he's incredibly safe and knocks down the bot tower really quickly. Lots of people are talking about this as if it's the heralding of a new type of Bot Lane Carry. And it'd be fascinating if it were true.

However, I personally imagine it evolving different way. Namely, you pick somebody like Varus Mid, a serviceable ADC that can survive the lane. You send Ziggs bot to take the tower, but once you take that tower you resume everything as per usual. Kind of like a Bot-Mid Lane Swap, but only the ADC and Mid, leaving the Support in the bot lane.

And that, if anything, would be the sad reason Rito nerfs this in the bud.

12 Comments

Bronze BonanzaDec 31, 20162 votes

I could see this becoming meta with champions like Malz or Brand too, because they have ridiculous wave clear and are VERY hard to tower dive.

The reason nobody wants to play bot lane right now is because of how incredibly important bot lane tower has become, and most ADCs just aren't able to protect it when they get gangbanged by the whole enemy team every couple minutes.

I Ping OnlyDec 31, 20161 votes

The reason that mid laners are sent mid is because the champions that they play--- Ziggs for example--- is completely ability dependent. Therefore they are allowed the fastest experience possible (Mid lane receives minions faster than any other lane). On the exact opposite side there's traditional ADCs who do not benefit as much from levels but more from gold. That is because an ADCs abilities are normally not as strong as their auto attacks with crit multipliers. Because the ADCs emphasis is on gold, they are given another champion to protect them during the laning phase in order to have an easier time killing minions. That is how the meta evolved, and it wouldn't make sense to put a traditional mid laner with a support and to put an ADC into mid by himself.

WoonStruckDec 31, 20163 votes

A) Varus is seen mid quite often

B) Ziggs isn't a traditional mid-laner. He's able to take down towers extremely easily. That's why he's being sent bot; after first tower, he'd likely swap with the ADC to go mid and afk farm.

I Ping OnlyJan 1, 20171 votes

Varus is not an auto-attack reliant ADC-- he uses his abilities which lets him play mid arguably better than ADC... And Ziggs is definitely a traditional mid laner. He's a control mage...

WoonStruckJan 1, 20172 votes

No, Riot changed him from a 'control mage' to a siege mage with the MYMU.

He can do something that no other mid laner can. That is exactly why he's not traditional. I'd look up the term again if I were you.

Its the same as saying Poppy's not a traditional tank. Yes, she's a tank...obviously. Hell, she's a vanguard. Call her whatever you want. But what she's capable of above and beyond 'traditional' tanks.

I Ping OnlyJan 1, 20171 votes

Well, I'll explain what a control mage is to you I guess because it seems like you're confused as to what they do. Control mages have long range abilities that poke and zone champions. They control areas in fight: Oriana's Ball, Taliyah's Minefield, Zigg's Minefield, Viktor's Gravity Field, Cassio's Miasma, Sol's Stars, Zyra's Plants, and Zilean's Bombs. That is what makes them a control mage. The fact that Ziggs can destroy turrets that are under a threshold of hp does not change the fact that he is 1: A control Mage 2: He is a Mid laner that needs experience as fast as possible (which is why he is played in mid, not bot)

What you and the OP are describing where Ziggs goes bot lane and rushes tower is not meta, nor will it ever be meta because of the simple fact that Ziggs needs experience to be strong. If you have him with a support he will not meet the level threshold come mid game and the team will suffer for it.

WoonStruckJan 1, 20172 votes

Ziggs bot won't be meta. Sure. **Despite it being used commonly in challenger games right now. **

I Ping OnlyJan 1, 20171 votes

What you and the OP are describing where Ziggs goes bot lane and rushes tower is not meta What you and the OP are describing where Ziggs goes bot lane and rushes tower is not meta What you and the OP are describing where Ziggs goes bot lane and rushes tower is not meta What you and the OP are describing where Ziggs goes bot lane and rushes tower is not meta What you and the OP are describing where Ziggs goes bot lane and rushes tower is not meta What you and the OP are describing where Ziggs goes bot lane and rushes tower is not meta What you and the OP are describing where Ziggs goes bot lane and rushes tower is not meta

Guyy FieriJan 1, 20171 votes

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No, Riot changed him from a 'control mage' to a siege mage with the MYMU.

He can do something that no other mid laner can. That is exactly why he's not traditional. I'd look up the term again if I were you.

Its the same as saying Poppy's not a traditional tank. Yes, she's a tank...obviously. Hell, she's a vanguard. Call her whatever you want. But what she's capable of above and beyond 'traditional' tanks.

Hello?!?! Ziggs is still a control mage. Let's thing for a minute about the term control there. It means control in two different ways. In means controlling minion waves pressure to ensure you can the roams (this is the waveclear part). The other part is all about controlling zones on the map as areas where the enemy cannot stand without risking dying (think Viktor Gravity Field, Azir Soldiers, Ziggs E). It just so happens that each of these champs have a better strength within the realm of control mages. Viktor is better at the 100-0 burst damage, Azir is better for sustained damage in a drawn out team fight and Ziggs is better for poke and allowing siege opportunities. Doesn't make him not a control mage, just makes him a siege oriented control mage.

And besides, control maes have always been fairly good at seiging as the waveclear part of their kits great them the minions necessary to get into the tower as well as the poke necessary to force the enemy teams waveclear off of the tower. So really if you stop to think about every control mage is capable of seiging towers in some capacity.

WoonStruckDec 31, 20161 votes

Basically. lol.