So Sterak's is about to be looked at.

VoraciousX··1 votes·1,517 views

Of course since I started using it as Katarina in my lich bane build to become a bruiser one shot assassin, NOW it's being looked at. -.- Not saying it was because of me, in fact I'm 99% sure it wasn't, but why NOW when I decided to start using it after it's been a ridiculous item for so long on trinity force users, and now they're talking about reducing that synergy(btw it works with Lich Bane and Iceborn as well, because both still are based on base AD. This is why I use it on my lich bane Katarina build, it increases the damage by like 42 on lich bane proc while also giving me a huge shield and HP. I'd need 84 AP to get that same damage and would have no tanky stats, just for reference). Kinda annoying that TF users got to be so strong with it for a while, and NOW I've finally found a way to survive all the BS as an assassin and still go kill people(It's not OP on her btw, unless the whole team is squishy anyways, then she practically one shots them, it just allows her to survive for longer), they're changing it. >_>;

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Rajinikanth Fan1 votes

What, a nerf to bruisers. Like come on.

VoraciousX1 votes

[{quoted}](name=blackops III,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ArzYzXkh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-27T21:40:53.401+0000)

What, a nerf to bruisers. Like come on.

Don't get me wrong, it's synergy needed to be nerfed/removed. It has been disgusting for such a long time. Anyone who builds Trinity Force+Sterak's is a problem because they do insane damage without any scaling(they could build full tank with only those two items and one shot people because you're doing 150% extra damage just from Sterak's), but it's annoying that it had to be when I started building it. Sterak's is basically a tank item, it doesn't offer much AD and it's passive is a giant shield. It shouldn't increase the damage of a damage item that already has a lot of damage on it by 150%. I'm just mad they waited til I started abusing it to talk about nerfing it. >_>; But think about how good Irelia's late game is. You know why that is? Her scalings don't add to her damage much at all, because she doesn't build much AD. It's ALL from Trinity Force+Sterak's. She builds full tank outside of Trinity Force and goes around one shotting squishies because she has 450% extra damage on her next auto every time she Qs(with a slight delay, but you're usually waiting that time anyways). 450% damage.

Rajinikanth Fan2 votes

why is the community attacking bruisers....... item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070

TwinkiePro1 votes

Irelia Q has a lot of base stat in it compared to her previous numbers. She used to struggle using Q on a whole minion wave but can now spam the living shit out of it even without TF proc.

The reason TF and steraks are so good together on most champs is base stats. If they don't have good base stats, the combo is not built, or if cleaver offers a better alternative in cases such as darius. some characters only build one without the other.

I think its great that an assassin can make use of steraks, especially those who rely on a reset or lack escapes such as talon or kat, but I would like to add that 42 more damage on a lichbane proc is not equal to 84 AP. That 84 ap goes to all her other abilities too and can easily add 300 to a full combo, if not more.

VoraciousX1 votes

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Irelia Q has a lot of base stat in it compared to her previous numbers. She used to struggle using Q on a whole minion wave but can now spam the living shit out of it even without TF proc.

The reason TF and steraks are so good together on most champs is base stats. If they don't have good base stats, the combo is not built, or if cleaver offers a better alternative in cases such as darius. some characters only build one without the other.

I think its great that an assassin can make use of steraks, especially those who rely on a reset or lack escapes such as talon or kat, but I would like to add that 42 more damage on a lichbane proc is not equal to 84 AP. That 84 ap goes to all her other abilities too and can easily add 300 to a full combo, if not more.

It could, but then I could also die before I got that 300 extra off. Plus Dark Harvest in addition to lich bane/Sterak's = nearly one shotting ADCs with an E>auto. Why would I need that extra damage when the rest of my combo will kill them?

Also Irelia's Q doesn't have high base stats(it's 10 damage+70% AD to 90+70% AD), but the thing is, base stats don't increase. Her late game isn't insane because her Q has high base damage, it's insane because she has a 2 item combo that gives her 450% extra damage on her next auto. ANYONE who builds Trinity Force should build Sterak's, it's just too good of an item. It makes you very tanky while also giving you a LOT of extra damage. Her Q without a trinity force or a Sterak's would be about 184 damage. She gets 2 chances to reset to 552 damage with a full combo. With the damage from Trinity Force+Sterak's. That's 1893. Let's give her a Black Cleaver and a Ravenous Hydra instead(two items typically used by bruisers with good scalings), items that would increase due to her scalings. Those two full AD items gives her 268 damage on her Qs. That's 804 damage. So no items, 552 damage. Black Cleaver + Ravenous Hydra, two high AD items, 804 damage, NOW trinity force + Sterak's, 1893 damage. Now I'll give her a full set of AD items(Hydra, Maw, Cleaver, Death's Dance, GA, boots). With all those items her Q with 3 procs would do 1167 damage. Do you SEE how strong Sterak's + Trinity Force is. 726 damage higher than a full AD build.

Trinity Force + Sterak's is what makes her late game so insane. Nothing else.

Death by Glamour1 votes

Is it the shield or its synergy with sheen/frozen fist/tforce?

VoraciousX1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Death by Glamour,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ArzYzXkh,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-04-27T23:58:58.652+0000)

Is it the shield or its synergy with sheen/frozen fist/tforce?

The synergy with sheen items. At least that's what they're talking about changing/nerfing. They said they wanted to make Sterak's available to other champions by changing it's synergy. I also agree though, it shouldn't add on damage to sheen items(Especially Trinity Force).

This is the part where they talked about it in the gameplay thoughts:

  • Some regular balance/game health work, including Kha'Zix (R evolution gameplay needs work), Sion (low interaction waveclear), Sterak's (making it more relevant to more champs by reducing or removing Triforce synergy and providing other power).
Mordepool1 votes

When non-Juggernauts use it better it's a problem

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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When non-Juggernauts use it better it's a problem

well, are they planning on making it better on juggernauts comparable to other champions, or are they planning on straight up nerfing it for everyone?

knowing riot, its the latter. i hope they dont forget what a pile of garbage the item was before they buffed it to what it is.

honestly, instead of looking at item 3053 they should rather look at item 3078 and rework the sheen scaling a bit. if they changed sheen and not steraks, it would allow them to work more base ad increases into other items, and make them more bruiser synergetic.

but what do i know? ive just been trying to talk with them about this for ages.

Mordepool1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ArzYzXkh,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-04-28T00:39:25.890+0000)

well, are they planning on making it better on juggernauts comparable to other champions, or are they planning on straight up nerfing it for everyone?

knowing riot, its the latter. i hope they dont forget what a pile of garbage the item was before they buffed it to what it is.

honestly, instead of looking at item 3053 they should rather look at item 3078 and rework the sheen scaling a bit. if they changed sheen and not steraks, it would allow them to work more base ad increases into other items, and make them more bruiser synergetic.

but what do i know? ive just been trying to talk with them about this for ages.

If the Strength of the shield doesn't Improve, Riot may aswell delete the item since it's doesn't fulfill its intended purpose as it is now. Also remove the tenacity on the item since it's 100% useless and is only there to slightly increase the supposed Gold efficiency

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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If the Strength of the shield doesn't Improve, Riot may aswell delete the item since it's doesn't fulfill its intended purpose as it is now. Also remove the tenacity on the item since it's 100% useless and is only there to slightly increase the supposed Gold efficiency

or just dont change steraks, and split triforce sheen scaling from 200% base ad into 100% base ad + a level scaling component, to weaken its interaction with steraks, while keeping its damage without steraks about the same?

literally, the item they should be dealing with is sheen and its scaling. if they do just that, they could even introduce more base ad increases on other bruiser items.

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