So are we just never gonna talk about how janky Warwick's W behaves?

TotalJerk·Feb 1, 2018·46 votes·1,490 views

The damn thing just sometimes doesn't work when it should, and sometimes works when it shouldn't, and I can't seem to figure out WHY most of the time.

I'll sometimes get the scent and it takes so long to actually give me the MS that it makes me miss a kill I otherwise would've had by seconds, while other times it's almost instant. Sometimes it gives me an MS boost running AWAY from enemies briefly when turning around, and sometimes I just instantly lose the MS boost when turning away.

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The Goodest BoyFeb 1, 201812 votes

God I absolutely feel this.

I'm an M7 Warwick main (as I'm sure you've noticed from my name hehe) and his W might have the weirdest logic I've ever seen on any ability. Sometimes, you just DON'T get movespeed. Originally, I thought it might be because I'm technically in combat with jungle camps, but jungle camps don't break the movespeed. And sometimes, I'll retain the movement speed even when an enemy has hit me with like 3 spells. It's horrid to deal with sometimes, but I have a 70% winrate over about 200 games with Warwick so I've clearly made it work

**By the way: an easy way to tell if you should be getting movespeed or not is by looking at the W ability. Whenever you take damage, the ability will do a small cooldown circle thing that will last until you're out of combat again. **

good luck in future Warwick games!

Shuriman CuratorFeb 1, 20181 votes

Do you play We top? If so does it work well?

The Goodest BoyFeb 1, 20181 votes

I have many times! It actually works very well, and I don't lose often on it. If I get auto filled top or something, I'll usually go Warwick because you can either 1. go bruiser/damage build if ahead or 2. build tanky and be useful from behind. You can also roam mid which is nice :)

Shuriman CuratorFeb 1, 20181 votes

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I have many times! It actually works very well, and I don't lose often on it. If I get auto filled top or something, I'll usually go Warwick because you can either 1. go bruiser/damage build if ahead or 2. build tanky and be useful from behind. You can also roam mid which is nice :)

hmmm may have to give that a go, i use to jungle a good bit with ww last season and i liked his kit a lot, but im not a fan of the jungle anymore lol

The Goodest BoyFeb 2, 20181 votes

I understand that. Keep in mind in the current meta, top is an absolute shithole right now. If you need proof of that, look to the many many top lane streamers who are either quitting top or quitting league altogether.

If you need a new role, I'd recommend bot or maybe mid. But if you're set on top, Warwick isn't bad against many champs. (except Teemo, Vayne etc.)

good luck :)

ShaolinToiletFeb 2, 20182 votes

If we are going by high elo streamers then yasuo is and has always been a fine champion. But 90 percent of the boards thinks they can just pick and choose whatever fits their rage

The Goodest BoyFeb 2, 20181 votes

You're right, high elo streamers certainly aren't us. I've had fine success in top as long as the enemy AD isn't a Vayne personally.

Just thought he'd like to know, he can play whatever he wants in the end.

kile147Feb 2, 20181 votes

People like you and other WW mains are the reason it can't be fixed tbh. Mains are already doing plenty well with him in his current state. Imagine how much more powerful WW would be if his W was actually consistent and functional. They would end up having to nerf him elsewhere to compensate.

The Goodest BoyFeb 3, 20181 votes

You may be right, but I feel like a champion being strong or weak due to bugs is flat out bad design. If they need to nerf the move speed when they fix the W logic, so be it.

However I'd definitely agree once ADCS are put into a reasonable spot and/or bruisers get a keystone, he'll definitely need some nerfing regardless.

kile147Feb 3, 20181 votes

Oh I agree, I really want them to fix it because he is my main jungler. I just think they just aren't prioritizing it because it's probably very difficult to fix and he doesn't really need the help/ would require other balance changes if they did fix it.

greekvandaLFeb 1, 201810 votes

Ah first world Ww problems.. i feel you he does indeed feel junky af and all of those mentioned have happened to me consistently aswell when i played 20ww games straight.

THE RlVER KlNGFeb 1, 20183 votes

The ability legit just doesn’t work sometimes. It’s tilting to see someone with like 100 HP down bot and you’re not getting any movement speed towards them

ChawooraFeb 1, 20183 votes

Are you taking into account that the W movement speed is "out of combat bonus movement speed"? I am not positive how long you have to be out of combat. Mobi's require being out of combat for 5 seconds before the movement speed kicks in.

TotalJerkFeb 1, 20181 votes

It's only supposed to be broken by being in combat with champions. Regardless, it still makes no sense for him to have awkwardly delayed W speed despite not being in combat, or randomly keeping movement speed when moving AWAY from the target.

Starcraft243verFeb 1, 20183 votes

And the ult hitting people behind him.

HügöFeb 1, 20183 votes

I like that sometimes I can run in the opposite direction with the ms lul.

MalishushFeb 2, 20182 votes

Have you also noticed the attack speed buff working wonky?

Sometimes I switch targets and it feels like it only applies the attack speed buff AFTER you hit the target even though they are the same HP it feels weird to me I cant explain

FloupiFeb 1, 20181 votes

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TotalJerkFeb 1, 20182 votes

I'm talking about when his W is clearly activated and he is definitely out of combat with champions.

RecuroFeb 1, 20181 votes

Yeah, in some cases it seems if you spawn while someone is low you don't get the scent at all. Also if I remember correctly one time I saw an ivern at low health after his first clear but I had no scent of him. Some wonky interaction with his passive I'm guessing.

MagicalDemonsFeb 2, 20181 votes

thank you for bringing this up holy it is so annoying

xelakerFeb 2, 20181 votes

funny how all of the CT hate on the boards has everyone tripping over themselves to praise his work on ww and this comes up lol. It also has scents going all over the damn place since the pathing is pretty dumb.

BarkleyFeb 2, 20181 votes

M7 warwick jungle here, and I feel this with all my feels. Upvoted.

KyunseiFeb 2, 20181 votes

W and Q, as well as E.

BTW that champ is too strong currently.

champion.gg : 53.2% WR 6.6% pick rate OP.GG : 51.8% WR 3% PR League of Graphs : 52.7% WR 9.3% PR lolalytics : 52.8% WR 9.9% PR Average : 52.6 WR 7.2% PR

Too much WR for this play rate.

And as personal feeling, he feels way too strong early game, but he can be shut down hard sometimes.

TotalJerkFeb 2, 20181 votes

Overall character strength is irrelevant to my point that his W behavior is inconsistent. It works both for and against him, regardless.