Can we change the recipe for frost queens back to Fiendish Codex?

koshkyra·Nov 20, 2017·2 votes·252 views

I dont get why they changed it to Blasting Rod, but building that item early feels horrible and I would much rather have the codex for the CDR.

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RIP Tahm KenchNov 20, 20172 votes

The tier 2 upgrade of spellthief already has the 10% cdr in it. If they made the build path have fiendish codex that'd be 20% cdr

Built to TyltNov 20, 20171 votes

The original build path was item 3108 and it was changed quite suddenly and out of now where. item 1026 does turn out to be cheaper, but at least with the previous build path you got a step in your damage output rather than going thirsty for so long and then getting a very minimal spike when you do purchase that 850g . But the original item 3092 only gave 10% CDR, same as now.

RIP Tahm KenchNov 20, 20171 votes

And that was a change that was made in two steps. First the 10% cdr given by the 2nd tier item was removed, and all 10% cdr was given by fiendish codex. Then the change was made for the 10% cdr to be on the support item because it made no sense for the sightstone upgrade, so frostqueen's lost the fiendish codex for a wand because it would have had 20% cdr again.

Built to TyltNov 21, 20171 votes

As someone who's played support 90% of the time for most of my League 'career', I can say I never remember it having more than 10% CDR. All CDR came from the Codex and the final item simply stated total stats, it never implied another 10% was added on top with completion. I'm not sure where your confusion is coming from.

The only item I have ever seen to give more than 10% CDR at once was item 3165 , and to my knowledge, is still the only one that does.

The codex build path is a better power-per-gold upgrade path for AP supports. The wand really fucks over the already gold- and experience-starved AP supports more, honestly.

RIP Tahm KenchNov 21, 20171 votes

Just woke up and double checked the update list for frostfang and for frostqueen's, and I was wrong that there was a point where this item granted 20% cdr. However, as of right now, the upgrade path for Frostqueen's is much better than it was before. Frostfang now provides all of its previous stats, plus an extra 10% cdr since patch 7.18, for the same low cost of 850 gold. The build path for frostqueen is also more gold efficient even though you can't buy amp tome, for 850 gold you are getting +40 AP (10% cdr already given by frostfang), instead of +30 AP for 900 gold. This change means you get the cdr much earlier, which is what I want when I play a mage support, and you get more AP for components later.

Side note, there have been many items that gave more than 10% cdr before, even right now. Nashor's Tooth gives 20% cdr, 80 AP, and 50% AS, Deathfire Grasp used to provide 15% CDR, the CDR boots used to provide 15% CDR, probably more that I'm forgetting.