The Eye of Equinox, Oasis, etc. items are clearly SO bad. Like, not a single person in high elo builds them. Face of the Mountain and Talisman of Ascension arent even all that amazing, but the eye items are just so sub par in comparison its insane. I feel like there should be a reason for me to pick one or the other not, a this one sucks this ones good get it. The items are just so trash tier and itd be nice for supports to feel like they have options.
Aeolian Melodies2 votes
is fine and I'm starting to see it more often than 
on tank supports actually
should have kept its 150% mana regen if they wanted it to have some niche (and that way maybe it would have found its way into mid laners build, and maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't be blind as bats anymore)
is in a shitty spot because non-tank supports typically are poke supports, so they prefer Spellthief line to begin with, and the Coin line gives shitty stats, the only reason to go that line is the active on Talisman
WadeWilson13371 votesYou say equinox is fine but its arguably the worst because it actually lacks cdr. Most people just dont abuse the active on face quite well so they get lazy. say fuck it, and take the quick health.
Erockandroll1 votesYou say equinox is fine but its arguably the worst because it actually lacks cdr. Most people just dont abuse the active on face quite well so they get lazy. say fuck it, and take the quick health.
I would argue that CDR isn't, a quintessential part of the support item. At least not for tank items.
And really, the eye items don't need to be super inpactful themselves. Mearly, they combined your GP10 with a sight stone, allowing you to rush a completely different item.
If I had Targons, sight stone, and a kilington gem. I could get FotM if I really wanted the item active. Or I could get Eye, for the exact same combind cost, get a little extra health and an extra ward. And I would still have that gem left over, which I could turn into a locket.
This also might sound awkward, but if you are having trouble with CDR on a tank support, get Lucidity boots. Considering that supports rely more on their spells for tanking, CDR, can be just as defensive of an option as merc treds or ninja tabi.
WadeWilson13371 votesOh man, i would never get cdr boots in this meta. With how good swiftness boots are, i honestly cant think of a tank support who wouldnt want them. The roaming power is just way too strong on those items compared to the measily 10% cdr i can avoid altogether on my boots and just get a simply superior item.
delonix1 votesIt might not be relevant anymore with the Headbutt Pulverize combo changes, but Alistar with CDR boots and distortion and the right masteries could have flash up every 180 seconds, which is great for Flash Pulverize. The CDR boots reduce the cooldown of Flash by 30 seconds.
ItsCalledALance1 votesnever seen anyone build any of these items.
with the 3 ward limit i dont see a reason to ever build something that can place more than 3.
Abyssphere1 votesThe Eye items are fine. Only Eye of the Watchers sucks and that's because the poke supports -need- the safety the FQC active offers to be viable.
I've seen both Eye of the Equinox and Eye of the Oasis in competitive play over the last week. Popularity for those will follow in solo queue.
WadeWilson13371 votesNa man. in pro play its also different because the 4th ward is invaluable. in solo que on the other hand, the eye items are non extinct, and honestly i think i win as support anytime their support builds the eye items. Even on probuilds not a single champion i can remember has an eye item in the top 6. Nor on champion.gg do i ever see an eye item in the "optimal" highest winrate build
Abyssphere1 votesNa man. in pro play its also different because the 4th ward is invaluable. in solo que on the other hand, the eye items are non extinct, and honestly i think i win as support anytime their support builds the eye items. Even on probuilds not a single champion i can remember has an eye item in the top 6. Nor on champion.gg do i ever see an eye item in the "optimal" highest winrate build
As much as that's true, you could argue that we should just accept that these items are geared towards organised play if that's the case. If they're designed to have strengths that aren't massively valuable for regular players then I'd rather they be weaker than their counterparts.
Personal opinion - I'd rather the Eye items not be strong in regular play. The choice of item would be more interesting if they were considered stronger, yes, but I'd rather have interesting gameplay than interesting item choices and the active support items are much more interesting because... they all have really impactful actives. I think it'd be a huge shame if people were forced into buying Oasis every game (for example) becuase it was flat out better than Talisman, when the Talisman active allows people to do so much fun stuff. Same for Frost Queen's vs Watchers. The only support active I don't find very exciting is Face of the Mountain but those times when it saves an ADC's life are exciting and losing that would be horrible.
I remember when the pre-season came out they talked about the new support items and said that originally they were planning to remove Talisman/FQC/FOTM with the introduction of the Eye items. I am hugely happy that they didn't do that. I do like the Eye items conceptually but I just don't think they're fun.
Aeolian Melodies1 votesNa man. in pro play its also different because the 4th ward is invaluable.
WadeWilson13371 votesAt the mere cost of 1000g i can get a 4th ward? Wow, thanks obligatory board poster!
dangopee1 votesI just want 10% CDR on the tank eye item even if they reduce the health.
WadeWilson13371 votesEven if it had the 10%, i dont think itd make much of a difference in solo que. The actives are just too valuable especially early game.
dangopee1 votesYeah that one.
Andrionar1 votesI think that support role should be more rewarding. There already aren't much items for supports and those mentioned "eye" ones are pointless to buy, becouse they don't have passives who would noticably help beating your opponents.
HidingBidoof1 votesI don't think they are supposed to be these powerful items that you buy for stats. I believe the purpose of the item was to save item space so a support could get more items with betters stats. However, I do think they all need a tiny bump to make it really worth the value.
delonix1 votesThe "Eye" items shouldn't compete with the tier 3 support items. Supports are basically committed to buying Sightstone right now, so when you look at the "Eye" items vs their tier 3 equivalents, you need to keep in mind that the "Eye" items are effectively 800 gold cheaper, not counting the extra ward. The "reason...to pick one or the other" is that the "Eye" items let you start building other items earlier and give an early vision control advantage.
As of my writing this, Aphromoo, Pobelter, and Smoothie have built Eye of the Equinox on Braum, Thresh, and Alistar in the past few hours. Earlier today Noxiak built Eye of the Watchers on Janna. All of these were dynamic queue games, so I don't think it's fair to say that "not a single person in high elo builds them."
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