I laned vs akali as illaoi and I got screwed

abscondita·Jul 23, 2019·1 votes·1,672 views

I have been playing illaoi for 3 days and I still kinda suck.Most matchups aren’t that hard (I have to work on casting my e right).Akali dodged almost every e of mine and always deleted my tentacles.It seemed impossible for me to cast an e without it being dodged.I tried to bait her so she could use her e but it didn’t work (I still suck xd).Is akali countering me due to high mobility and ability to disengage my ult and e and everything or should I practice more (which will happen)/ban her?We won the game but I was almost 100% useless and ended up 0/8 I think.The game ended about an hour ago and I am still too tilted to play xd

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DeathBurstJul 23, 20192 votes

Akali is a hard match-up, but I don't think she's ban-worthy as a lane counter. (You can just ban her if you're scared she will snowball mid, but that's another story.)

I suggest to just farm and ignore her as much as possible. Use your E as a **counter-**engage when she jumps on you, or when you are already under your tower and she can't all-in you even if you miss it. Stay safe, and get some items. Then, group with your team and just serve as a meat-shield/counter-engage. Be patient, and wait for the opponents to do a mistake.

This is not something specific to Illaoi, it's true with all Juggernauts. They often can't force fights on their own, they are too vulnerable to kiting. So they have to wait for the enemy team to start a fight and punish them for it. If you find that tilting and you don't have the patience for it, it's probably best to just avoid the class entirely.

absconditaJul 23, 20191 votes

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Akali is a hard match-up, but I don't think she's ban-worthy as a lane counter. (You can just ban her if you're scared she will snowball mid, but that's another story.)

I suggest to just farm and ignore her as much as possible. Use your E as a **counter-**engage when she jumps on you, or when you are already under your tower and she can't all-in you even if you miss it. Stay safe, and get some items. Then, group with your team and just serve as a meat-shield/counter-engage. Be patient, and wait for the opponents to do a mistake.

This is not something specific to Illaoi, it's true with all Juggernauts. They often can't force fights on their own, they are too vulnerable to kiting. So they have to wait for the enemy team to start a fight and punish them for it. If you find that tilting and you don't have the patience for it, it's probably best to just avoid the class entirely.

Thank you so much.I just had another match but against teemo(one of the easiest matches for me) and went 2/0.Then in teamfights they didn’t let me get a single kill and they would either last hit or stay away and kill them when was low hp and had dealt all the dmg with my ult and then run away and let me die.I don’t remember how I ended up like(3/8 with many assists I think),but we lost (even though lux had 30ish kills and ww 20ish and they didn’t understand when I told them that taking all the kills can lose a game too).So.I didn’t learn much from that game,but I farmed a lot so I guess kills did not matter that much,but everyone else got their items before me.

TakaDamaJul 23, 20191 votes

If this is solo queue, I feel your pain; even when I went 9/0/X at the start of a game as Darius, my team continued to play too cautiously and wouldn't press any advantage we had.

For Illaoi, though, she has one option outside of team fights; split pushing. She can clear entire waves with W and Q easily, and her E and Ult makes her hard to engage. This usually means either the most fed opponent will try to take you on, or two or more others will do so themselves. This creates an advantage for your team to capitalize on in their own teamfights, either in numbers or skill differential.

Also, as far as itemization goes, I start Corrupting Potion, build Vampiric Scepter and Kindelgem when possible, then rush Death's Dance as everything from AD, CDR, Lifesteal, spellvamp, and delayed damage works well with Illaoi. After that, Kindelgem can be turned into Spear of Shojin, Spirit Visage, or Black Cleaver depending on what you need then (damage, sustain, and armor shred/positioning mobility specifically).

absconditaJul 24, 20191 votes

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If this is solo queue, I feel your pain; even when I went 9/0/X at the start of a game as Darius, my team continued to play too cautiously and wouldn't press any advantage we had.

For Illaoi, though, she has one option outside of team fights; split pushing. She can clear entire waves with W and Q easily, and her E and Ult makes her hard to engage. This usually means either the most fed opponent will try to take you on, or two or more others will do so themselves. This creates an advantage for your team to capitalize on in their own teamfights, either in numbers or skill differential.

Also, as far as itemization goes, I start Corrupting Potion, build Vampiric Scepter and Kindelgem when possible, then rush Death's Dance as everything from AD, CDR, Lifesteal, spellvamp, and delayed damage works well with Illaoi. After that, Kindelgem can be turned into Spear of Shojin, Spirit Visage, or Black Cleaver depending on what you need then (damage, sustain, and armor shred/positioning mobility specifically).

Yes I start with DD when I go for a tanky build,it is a great first item for hard matches.I don’t play solo queue anymore,very rarely,I am waiting for the season to end because my mmr is 25-30% winrate and even if I do good,we will eventually lose,either by me or my team all together.In my server we have Greeks.I am Greek myself.Greeks in my elo will either be very good or very bad,I rarely see a kinda good player or kinda bad.Most of us think they are always right and will feed 3/12 and flame all the time and never listen.When I see a Greek in ranked (on my elo always,but happens in higher Elos as my friends have told me),I already know they will most likely feed and complain about ks in 5v1 (us vs enemies) fights.However,I usually don’t play bad,although bad games happen to everyone,but my mmr is so screwed I am afraid to play ranked again for this season,it is honestly pointless no matter if I play good or shitty,I will lose anyway 15-17 out of 20 games.

TakaDamaJul 23, 20192 votes

I cant say I have ever played as Illaoi vs Akali, even before Akali's rework, but I will do my best to provide some insight based on a similar matchup--Yasuo:

Cooldowns are crucial to work around in both matchups, in particular Twilight Shroud for Akali. In fact since most of Illaoi's damage and thus sustain, especially post-6, is tied to her point and click Harsh Lessons, Akali basically becomes a tank while this is up. So, unless you manage to land a blind E while near the shroud (and only if the shroud doesnt work on the spirit also), dont ult Akali while shroud is up.
Similarly, work around her mechanics in terms of mobility, in particular Assassin's Mark and Shuriken Flip. Her passive makes it so that she gets a MS buff for getting away from you, then an MS butf and some extra damage for going in again; this means that if Akali wants to make the most of her passive, she will go right back in; when she comes back in is a great opportunity to use your E. The second cast of Shuriken Flip, on the other hand, is a dash that allows her to come directly to you. This is actually what you want as when she does so, you can land an E safely.
For her ult, Perfect Execution, the best advice I have is to know when you are too low on Health to survive the second cast; although the first cast stunning you for 0.5 seconds may be an annoyance, there are worse stuns on basic abilities.
Final bit of advice is to adjust your own playstyle; while Illaoi can be a lane bully, she needs time to set up to do so, and playing more reactively may be better for now.

tempname1232134Jul 23, 20191 votes

you're bad then. illaoi E is one of the most broken abilities in the game if you land it akali is dead

absconditaJul 23, 20191 votes

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you're bad then. illaoi E is one of the most broken abilities in the game if you land it akali is dead

Good to know