Zeke's Herald Combine cost is too high.

ABlueQuaker··9 votes·1,058 views

It's a great item on Utility Tanks like Leona and Braum. It has good stats (+250 HP and +20% CDR) and a very appealing Aura (+10% Lifesteal and +20 AD). It has a very low pick rate with a very high win rate (60-70%).

I think the combine cost, however, needs to be a tad lower for it to become more popular. Perhaps, say, a 25/50% decrease.

Vampiric Sceptre on it's own is a waste on Supports so the recipe is (or at least feels) more like Kindlegem (850g) + 1600g. That's about ~5-10 minutes of no power increase beyond the power gained from champion levels.

Either the recipe needs to change, or the combine cost needs to because (while the completed item is quite gold efficient), spending 800g on a useless stat and then having to wait for another 800g is pretty ridiculous.

I think the recipe should be more along the lines of:

item 3067 (850g) + item 1028 (400g) + item 1028 (400g) + 800g.

And then make it so that you don't get the AD or Lifesteal from the Aura, your teammates do get the Aura, and you instead get an additional 200 HP.

15 Comments

S0NA7 votes

Ssh don't remind Riot the thing exists. They'll just remove it.

GreySilence3 votes

I miss my executioner's calling )=

Fitz n The Fool1 votes

I agree I hate building the vamp scepter. But honestly I just wish they would revert it back to Season 2 Zeke's with attack speed + life steal aura.

ABlueQuaker1 votes

The AD Aura is better tbh. It's more universal because it's good on both AD Champions that rely on Atk Spd for their damage output, and ones that rely on CDR for their damage output.

Fitz n The Fool1 votes

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The AD Aura is better tbh. It's more universal because it's good on both AD Champions that rely on Atk Spd for their damage output, and ones that rely on CDR for their damage output.

Yeah I understand your point, but no. its not better. Attack speed is a late game stat, and giving your carry 20% attack speed is more powerful than buffing your top/jung and carry with +20 AD.

ABlueQuaker1 votes

Yeah I remember using it back in the day and it probably is better. idk. I'm just sort of used to liking what we have now. A lot of the ideas I come up with are intentionally not as good as they could be because I know Riot is allergic to logical thinking.

Fitz n The Fool1 votes

Plus this was the old aura:

Unique aura: Nearby allied champions gain +20% attack speed, +30 health regeneration, and +20% life steal and Unique aura: Nearby enemy champions suffer −20 armor. (1200 range)

If they changed it back to that, but removed the armor reduction, it would be a great item.

OhOkYeah1 votes

it's a good item to get if you're fed early game. if it takes you that long to buy it, you shouldn't worry about buying it at all.

CoolKnightST1 votes

I don't think they would alter the item 3050 build in a build that doesn't contain lifesteal. For this reason they will probaly never remove item 1053 from it. What they should do is just remove the 10% cdr & reduce the combine cost with 200.

Zouave1 votes

its' not a support item. It's an item designed for nasus. end game nasus usually go boot, trinity, zeke, spirit visage, bloodthirster and thornmail.

it's 60% lifesteal build, and when you have lot of Q stack, you regen to full life each Q. And this build with some cdr rune is 40% cdr. so you regen full life + full shield of BT every 3sec or so. lot of people are exploiting this build to challenger tiers for like 6 months, and no doubt it will be nerfed into the ground. Zeke is also far too powerfull, ready for the big nerf ?

Gear Kitty1 votes

Please no, it's not a support item. It's a AD heavy Team item.

Case in point, I build it instead of Sanguine or BotRK in ARAM when I'm AD and there's two other AD (melee or ranged) on my team, as early as I can (cause I need the life steal too).

Heck, if there's 4 ADs, I build it and a Cleaver, even on Sivir, Caitlyn, or Jinx. Few people respect what team wide boosts can actually accomplish and what 20% CD does for an ADC. It's the AD version of Aegis.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

I still buy it as support if 3 or 4 of my allies are AD. The lifesteal boost on me isn't BAD, just not very helpful. And like you said, it's very expensive to combine and by that point the CDR is overkill.

I want more support auras that don't have CDR, because just 2 items brings me to 35%

DisasterSola1 votes

You could add a 1350 banner item that both banner of command zekes herald build out of...

Battle standard: 1450g razor feather thingy+ruby crystal

+150 health +20magic resist +20 armor Unique passive: point runner Unique passive: hold the line (love aint always on time ♪): Allies nearby turrets gain 10% increased movement speed

qetzel1 votes

Do you think the win rate and the pick rate are linked? Perhaps Zeke's is asituational item. Due to its cost and effects, perhaps it is only bought to help finish a game?

On a second note, is it right to buff an item with a high winrate? Won't that just make it OP?

Drogeist1 votes

I agree that this is a neat niche item, and that it's kinda hard to build because of cost and it rarely being absolutely necessary to purchase. I think maybe lowering the CDR and lowering the cost as well would make it easier to justify its purchase. There are many CDR support items already and 20% is probably overkill anyways.

As for its high win rate, one hypothesis is that supports only pick it up in games where they are absolutely stomping anyways, and, hence, have the extra gold to burn on a fun item.

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