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So malzahar is getting dumpstered

Spoofghoul··3 votes·3,374 views

These changes look absolutely awful

Malzahar

Void Swarm (W) -
    Mana cost lowered to 40 from 80
    Now works on a recharge system instead of just a 20-16 second cooldown.

        [old] 20/19/18/17/16 second cooldown.
        [new]20/19/18/17/16 recharge time & max of two stacks.

    Voidling spawn on attack changed:

        [old] "first time a voidling attacks a champion or monster, or assists in a killing a unit, Malzahar spawns a new Voidling with the same remaining duration." & "will not spawn from a voidling with less than 4 seconds left"

        [new] "If a Voidling has more than 9 seconds remaining, its first attack against a champion or monster will spawn a new Voidling with the same remaining duration,"

    Voidlings now have 3 "HP" - similar to wards.

    Voidling Physical Damage changed to base + bAD from % of total AD.

        [old]  30/32.5/35/37.5/40% of total AD

        [new] 30/35/40/45/50 +  40% of bonus AD

    Voidling damage AP ratio increased to 20% from 10%

    Voidling detail changes:

        [added]  "Deals 300% damage to lane minions effected by Malefic Visions (E) "

        [added] "If target is afflicted by Nether Grasp (R) or Malefic Visions (E) and Malzahar is near by, has 100% increased attack speed.

        [removed] "Prefers to attack targets with Nether Grasp (R) or Malefic Visions (E)"

        [removed] "When 3 or ore voidlings are active, they all gain 50% attack speed"

        [removed] "Deals 300% damage to lane minions below 20% health"

No more AD malzahar

Tnx Riot you suck

16 Comments

RiotNot Surrendering10 votes

Voidlings are still attracted to visioned or ulted targets. We just removed it from the tooltip because it was leading to a lot of clutter. AD Malzahar voidlings actually do more damage. eg. If you have BF sword at level 6, old Voidlings have 35 AD and new ones have 30 + 19 = 49 AD.

Daetnas2 votes

Thank the flying spaghetti monster. I thought Riot would go full Yorick with these Malzahar changes.

Skyroar3 votes

{quoted}

Voidlings are still attracted to visioned or ulted targets. We just removed it from the tooltip because it was leading to a lot of clutter. AD Malzahar voidlings actually do more damage. eg. If you have BF sword at level 6, old Voidlings have 35 AD and new ones have 30 + 19 = 49 AD.

The problem is that a lot of it relies on base skill damage, which AP builds also benefit from.

A Malz with Needlessly Large Rod will get 30 + 12 = 42 from new changes, which is quite close to the AD numbers, WHILE getting an incredible boost to all his other skills. Before, he would get what? 20 AD (66 base AD * 0.3) + 6 (10% ratio) AP = 26? (I'm excluding the 10 bonus magic damage from all my calculations, and only focusing on what has changed: base AD damage, ad ratios and ap ratios).

So it's somewhat irrelevant if new voidlings will get slightly more damage for AD builds, when they will get significantly more damage for AP builds.

P.S. You should put that tooltip somewhere else, because it's one of most important mechanics that any new Malz player needs to learn.

PermabannedGaren4 votes

{quoted}

The problem is that a lot of it relies on base skill damage, which AP builds also benefit from.

A Malz with Needlessly Large Rod will get 30 + 12 = 42 from new changes, which is quite close to the AD numbers, WHILE getting an incredible boost to all his other skills. Before, he would get what? 20 AD (66 base AD * 0.3) + 6 (10% ratio) AP = 26? (I'm excluding the 10 bonus magic damage from all my calculations, and only focusing on what has changed: base AD damage, ad ratios and ap ratios).

So it's somewhat irrelevant if new voidlings will get slightly more damage for AD builds, when they will get significantly more damage for AP builds.

P.S. You should put that tooltip somewhere else, because it's one of most important mechanics that any new Malz player needs to learn.

The actual intended and viable build being better than the meme build is not a problem.

Skyroar2 votes

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The actual intended and viable build being better than the meme build is not a problem.

And I don't mind that, I'm just saying that the gap between AD and AP builds is getting wider.

And to be honest, any AD ratios higher than those could make some items too strong (hextech gunblade).

Theorex5 votes

{quoted}

Voidlings are still attracted to visioned or ulted targets. We just removed it from the tooltip because it was leading to a lot of clutter. AD Malzahar voidlings actually do more damage. eg. If you have BF sword at level 6, old Voidlings have 35 AD and new ones have 30 + 19 = 49 AD.

THANK YOU. THAT IS SUPER IMPORTANT. HOLY CRAP

Fisherman Fízz1 votes

Holy fuck nice name mate

Olsca1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fizz Enthusiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AlrKTtQA,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-11-18T00:56:14.987+0000)

Voidlings are still attracted to visioned or ulted targets. We just removed it from the tooltip because it was leading to a lot of clutter. AD Malzahar voidlings actually do more damage. eg. If you have BF sword at level 6, old Voidlings have 35 AD and new ones have 30 + 19 = 49 AD.

jeez, you gave me a flipping panic attack i thought he would be useless for a second there.

Handy Sandy 5 votes

ok so he's dumpstered, his whole kit is, because he can't build AD anymore.

Spoofghoul1 votes

you missed the biggest problem though

he can't control his voidlings anymore

Skaiserus4 votes

Just because AD Malzahar is dead, he's getting dumpstered???? Dude... This was a waste of my time.

Maximum Morde3 votes

That's a buff to the survivability of his voidlings. I can't instantly delete them anymore.

EcchiOtakuTM3 votes

AD malz died when voidlings couldn't touch turrets, hopefully turrets only do 1 damage to voidling since they have 3 hp.

Calabok2 votes

don't be so picky and whiny about such minuscule changes.

TwTvLuliac1 votes

While I agree being picky and whiny is annoying and unproductive, unless coupled with proactivity and activism, I disagree that the change was miniscule. It has butchered the identity of Malz as a lane bully, and an objective controller.

TwTvLuliac1 votes

As a Malz main, this is going to make up for a lot of what was lacking in his minions, and I approve. This is going to bring back some things I loved about Malz, concerning split pushing, and taking towers. He's maintaining his image that Rito likes with AP, and a damage over time killer to any champ tank or adc. In case Rito is reading this, I just wanna say that I fell in love with Malz cuz of his assassin feel, so any more buffs to his AP so I can have this feel back would be greatly appreciated. #KeepBuffingApMalz

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