Any plans for eve?

lolipopevelynn·Nov 29, 2015·4 votes·1,722 views

she is legit unplayable. in the past, regardless of how harsh her nerfs were, i could find SOMETHING to make it manageable, but now i cant find anything. she is no longer fun to play and she is actually frustrating and torture to play. thats a BAD thing.

the problem is that in the new season games are more snowbally than they ever were, so early game is actually very important more so than its been in the past. that being said eve no longer has a early game. jungle hurts and it hurts ALOT. jg has always hurt eve, but never this bad to a point where im forced to back just after doing my first 2 or 3 camps and buy a damn hunters potion. and its not like you can skip the potion. eve has no sustain so its actually a mandatory item or you will just back every 2 or 3 camps without it. she gets a power spike in the mid game, but thats it. late game she falls off. she falls off even harder if you are going a bruiser build, which is sad in and of itself because she SHOULD NOT have to build brusier/tank. she is an ASSASSIN.

she needs some of her old nerfs reverted, specifically her damage nerfs. if not then atleast at bonus damage to monsters on her Q or something just so she can clear faster. if you really want to keep her power against champions in check then i think this would be the best option. her being able to clear faster is very important and runeglaive just isnt doing it anymore.

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NiyumiNov 29, 20152 votes

"Oh no, I have to put in effort to play a champion! She's unplayable! Wah! Boo hoo! Sob!" -- All I hear.

I just went 26/4 the other day as Eve, against some of the most broken champs you can imagine. Check my history if you want to, none of my Eve games are bad (well, some are, but we all have bad games).

Just learn to play her, and wow, you win. Keep crying, and just like how people say Illaoi is broken (she's not, you just have to use your brain to beat her), you'll never learn to play her.

Basically:

Start machete + 3 POTIONS, not the refillable crappy thing. (Biscuit mastery is always nice).
Get your leash, invade enemy jungle. If they're at their buff, smite it and kill them. If not, take it for yourself (ward your ass, though).
Back, buy a second jungle item.
Gank lanes or farm, depending on how things are going.
Play like a jungler should.
Build hybrid AP/AD, with lots of on-hit things to make use of your E (BORK + Abyssal + Runeglaive + Dead Man's + Gunblade + Sorc Treads > Banshee is my normal full build -- RG > Gunblade / Boots > Abyssal / Dead Man parts (Armor and MR) > Abyssal > Dead Man's > BORK).
Play smart, use stealth to your advantage.
Win.

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20152 votes

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"Oh no, I have to put in effort to play a champion! She's unplayable! Wah! Boo hoo! Sob!" -- All I hear.

I just went 26/4 the other day as Eve, against some of the most broken champs you can imagine. Check my history if you want to, none of my Eve games are bad (well, some are, but we all have bad games).

Just learn to play her, and wow, you win. Keep crying, and just like how people say Illaoi is broken (she's not, you just have to use your brain to beat her), you'll never learn to play her.

Basically:

Start machete + 3 POTIONS, not the refillable crappy thing. (Biscuit mastery is always nice).

Get your leash, invade enemy jungle. If they're at their buff, smite it and kill them. If not, take it for yourself (ward your ass, though).

Back, buy a second jungle item.

Gank lanes or farm, depending on how things are going.

Play like a jungler should.

Build hybrid AP/AD, with lots of on-hit things to make use of your E (BORK + Abyssal + Runeglaive + Dead Man's + Gunblade + Sorc Treads > Banshee is my normal full build -- RG > Gunblade / Boots > Abyssal / Dead Man parts (Armor and MR) > Abyssal > Dead Man's > BORK).

Play smart, use stealth to your advantage.

Win.

your best game on eve you went 16/5 not 26/4 in the last week let alone "the other day". and you STILL lost that game anyway.
ur win rate on eve is 32%, mine is 71%. pretty sure i know how to play her in multiple ways.

OvenmitttNov 29, 20151 votes

Are you serious on unplayable? Eve is one of the best assassins in the game (I main eve) and the recent changes made her kit even better since your q now spams a DoT. What is your exact issue? Probably build-related. The fact that you can dark seal into mejais is amazing too.

You shouldnt be trying to clear the jg, you should be taking gromp and ganking, or taking red buff and ganking (one camp only). Past that, you should be able to clear at least 5 camps before you back, if you start clearing before you gank. You probably just need to work on your play/build/start. I made it to D5 on two accounts maining eve, and I feel she's only gotten better. (They did add bonus damage to her q in the magic resist tweak in the last patch)

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20151 votes

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Are you serious on unplayable? Eve is one of the best assassins in the game (I main eve) and the recent changes made her kit even better since your q now spams a DoT. What is your exact issue? Probably build-related. The fact that you can dark seal into mejais is amazing too.

You shouldnt be trying to clear the jg, you should be taking gromp and ganking, or taking red buff and ganking (one camp only). Past that, you should be able to clear at least 5 camps before you back, if you start clearing before you gank. You probably just need to work on your play/build/start. I made it to D5 on two accounts maining eve, and I feel she's only gotten better. (They did add bonus damage to her q in the magic resist tweak in the last patch)

why do you think death fire grip made eves kit "even better" than before? infact its probably one of the only key stone she can really make use of compared to the other ones with the exception of fervor. the rest of the keystones are pretty bad on her.

my main problem with her is her previous nerfs are colliding with the indirect nerfs from the preseason. jungle items are no longer cost efficient so going runeglaive isnt really worth it anymore when it gives so little stats. there is zero reason to go for an item that gives 40 AP when you can get the exact same item that gives double that AP aswell as move speed OR another identical item that gives a ton more mana, double CDR, and armor. item 3025

she actually lost alot of power from the removal of the old masteries without gaining anything in return. she lost martial mastery and arcane mastery, she lost spell blade, she lost devastating strike which gave her BOTH armor and magic pen at the same time, she lost havoc, she lost spell weaving and blade weaving. and this is just from the offense tree. IF she wants to get dangerous game and executioner back then she is forced to put points in cunning, and what happens when you do this? you have no defense mastery's for the jg. if you do put points in resolve then she loses out on dangerous game and executioner. are you telling me that death fire makes up for all that damage lost? I dont think it comes even close.

it should be pretty obvious on how much power eve lost with these new masteries compared to the old.

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Another thing to add is that runeglaive is far superior to lich bane because it offers mana sustain, plus camp clear and aoe damage vs lich bane's single target to creeps for 700g less, and its on a build path youre doing anyway. The only time you might ever end up with lich bane is if you're full build and have nothing else left to buy, but the blue wep smite is more damage to a champ then the difference in runeglaive vs lich bane output, so it's still better to take runeglaive.

Eve doesnt need mana sustain, she only needs a mana pool. so items that just give straight mana is all she needs. infact its more than enough than the silly passive that runeglaive gives.

What you are saying was only true before the nerfs to runeglaive and before the preseason started. there are simply better options you can go for right now rather than finishing runeglaive for a crappy 40 AP and 30% of that AP converted into a aoe... you can actually take that shen and get a item 3025 instead and it will give you the aoe clear you need + more mana + armor + 20% CDR. item 3124 will also give you even more aoe for clears, so runeglaive just isnt needed.

OvenmitttNov 29, 20151 votes

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why do you think death fire grip made eves kit "even better" than before? infact its probably one of the only key stone she can really make use of compared to the other ones with the exception of fervor. the rest of the keystones are pretty bad on her.

my main problem with her is her previous nerfs are colliding with the indirect nerfs from the preseason. jungle items are no longer cost efficient so going runeglaive isnt really worth it anymore when it gives so little stats. there is zero reason to go for an item that gives 40 AP when you can get the exact same item that gives double that AP aswell as move speed OR another identical item that gives a ton more mana, double CDR, and armor.

she actually lost alot of power from the removal of the old masteries without gaining anything in return. she lost martial mastery and arcane mastery, she lost spell blade, she lost devastating strike which gave her BOTH armor and magic pen at the same time, she lost havoc, she lost spell weaving and blade weaving. and this is just from the offense tree. IF she wants to get dangerous game and executioner back then she is forced to put points in cunning, and what happens when you do this? you have no defense mastery's for the jg. if you do put points in resolve then she loses out on dangerous game and executioner. are you telling me that death fire makes up for all that damage lost? I dont think it comes even close.

Eve doesnt need mana sustain, she only needs a mana pool. so items that just give straight mana is all she needs. infact its more than enough than the silly passive that runeglaive gives.

What you are saying was only true before the nerfs to runeglaive and before the preseason started. there are simply better options you can go for right now rather than finishing runeglaive for a crappy 40 AP and 30% of that AP converted into a aoe... you can actually take that shen and get a instead and it will give you the aoe clear you need + more mana + armor + 20% CDR. will also give you even more aoe for clears, so runeglaive just isnt needed.

You're silver 2, and I'm diamond, so please dont lecture me on how my main actually works. If you want me to teach you how to play eve the right way, I'll be happy to do so. But I hate to say that you don't have a clue. True damage smite alone makes runeglaive wep better then anything from an assassin perspective, thats what you fail to understand. At level 10 you do 100 damage to a champ, at level 18 you do 184. TRUE damage - that is, unmitigated. That's similar to having a 300 dmg proc on a weapon, on TOP of your regular runeglaive proc of 150-200 which will be mitigated by resistance. It's a 100+ damage net win, any way you look at it, plus the gap closer of the smite. R-Smite-Q-E-Q-Ignite will kill almost anything short of a tank in less then two seconds. If you're fed, Q-E-Smite will kill an adc or ap carry.

Understand that evelynn skill cap is extremely high, and the game can't be balanced around the lower leagues. Change your build up. Fix your runes, fix your talents. Then you'll start going places.

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20151 votes

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You're silver 2, and I'm diamond, so please dont lecture me on how my main actually works. If you want me to teach you how to play eve the right way, I'll be happy to do so. But I hate to say that you don't have a clue.

"im diamond so im not gonna argue ANY of the points in your post because im above you and superior to you"

ya, of course. i knew you were going to say this like any other typical fool on GP who cant have a decent disscussion with other players of different divisions. shouldn't have wasted my time thinking you were civil enough to have a decent convo about it.

also ur plat, not diamond.

when you want to actually have a discussion and tell me WHY im wrong rather than throwing in my face what division im in and what division you are in then let me know. if your gonna be a dick then just leave the thread now and lets not waste either of our times any longer.

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20151 votes

what does item 3706 have to do with runeglaive? i said you do not have to finish runeglaive, i never said to not get stalkers blade... you can actually sit on stalkers blade and simply use sheen to complete a BETTER item than runeglaive.

secondly, my rune choices are pretty cookie cutter eve runes. AP+AD has always been good on eve. i do admit i do not need the -5% CDR tho. it was something i used to get max CDR back before runeglaive was implemented and never bothered to change it. other than that explain why the runes are bad?

3rd, you do not explain at all to why my reasoning is wrong. you simply said its wrong and with the only reasoning YOU gave to why it was wrong is "im diamond"

4th, 40 AP is not going to net me more damage than simply rushing lichbane which is 80 AD and better scaling on the proc. i dont care how high level you are, that is just stupid logic to even say that. the ONLY reason you are getting it is for the SLIGHTLY better clears.

5th, add me in game and show me you doing a full FIRST clear of the jg without a single back. actually no, ill make it easy on you. show me you clearing more than 3 camps on your first clear without going into the defensive tree.

OvenmitttNov 29, 20151 votes

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what does have to do with runeglaive? i said you do not have to finish runeglaive, i never said to not get stalkers blade... you can actually sit on stalkers blade and simply use sheen to complete a BETTER item than runeglaive.

secondly, my rune choices are pretty cookie cutter eve runes. AP+AD has always been good on eve. i do admit i do not need the -5% CDR tho. it was something i used to get max CDR back before runeglaive was implemented and never bothered to change it. other than that explain why the runes are bad?

3rd, you do not explain at all to why my reasoning is wrong. you simply said its wrong and with the only reasoning YOU gave to why it was wrong is "im diamond"

4th, 40 AP is not going to net me more damage than simply rushing lichbane which is 80 AD and better scaling on the proc. i dont care how high level you are, that is just stupid logic to even say that. the ONLY reason you are getting it is for the SLIGHTLY better clears.

5th, add me in game and show me you doing a full FIRST clear of the jg without a single back. actually no, ill make it easy on you. show me you clearing 3 camps on your first clear without going into the defensive tree.

Ill add you later today on one of my other accounts, and you can watch and learn.

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20151 votes

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Ill add you later today on one of my other accounts, and you can watch and learn.

or you can add me right now and show me the magic of you doing a full clear on eve with just 2 pots. shouldnt take u no more than 2 mins to do 1 first clear.

i mean it doesnt even have to be you specifically, the other guy who claims he can do it full glass canon can show me aswell. neither of u accepted invite tho.

NiyumiNov 29, 20151 votes

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5th, add me in game and show me you doing a full FIRST clear of the jg without a single back. actually no, ill make it easy on you. show me you clearing 3 camps on your first clear without going into the defensive tree.

I can clear 4-5 camps with a glass-cannon build, machete and 3 potions. ^^

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20151 votes

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I can clear 4-5 camps with a glass-cannon build, machete and 3 potions. ^^

waiting for invite or shall i do it.

NiyumiNov 29, 20151 votes

Well, I went to bed. Was kind of 3 AM.

OvenmitttNov 29, 20151 votes

Dangerous game is a very good talent, but it's a trade off taking the purple tree over the blue tree. I feel the blue tree offers a lot more, mostly in sustain and camp clearing / not dying. 5% Increased dmg to champs below 40% health really means 2% increased dmg to champs, period. However, this only takes effect below 40%, so it ends up being less then that, because damage isnt linear. It's really a poor choice. The only other useful talent for assassin stuff in purp tree is maybe wanderer, but that pales next to the blue tree.

Fervor sucks since you cant stack it beforehand and be useful on eve (plus it only adds extra to autos, doesnt add AD that scales to abilities), so lets look at deathfire touch at level 18. If you have AD runes or pen runes this will vary by a few damage, but the thing is, even if base #s are higher with AD runes, pen runes will do more damage. (full magic pen reds will hurt champs more then ad runes ever will on eve, but your jg clear speed suffers)

6+50% of bonus attack damage (lets assume bonus is 0, since we shouldnt be building any ad) = 6

20% of your AP (lets assume 500) = 100

so 106 damage over 3 seconds as a talent. Since your Q cuts this in half as it isnt a single target spell, it actually ends up being 53 damage over 1.5 seconds (half that time). Basically, this just adds 53 damage to your Q, or 53 damage * 5 to your R.

Every Q. So You're basically adding 25% damage to your Q spam, which is a ridiculous amount of free damage.

JG wep is superior to any other ap+dmg on hit item because of smite, which i already told you. burst > sustained damage, and that blue tree? -15% to sum spells is amazing since it lowers your smite cooldown which has the twofold effect of having it up more to gank, and having it up more for jungle. Ignite is just icing on the cake (you should be taking smite-ignite, if you arent)

-2 dmg from champ attacks/spells and 4% health from veterans scars generally adds up to ~6-7% more survivability, versus the 1-1.5% more damage you might do with the extra talents in the purple tree, plus the extra smites, ignites, and MUCH longer jg sustain (the little monsters dont hit hard, so -2 static dmg is a ton)

OvenmitttNov 29, 20151 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=ovenmittromney

Terrible eve winrate there, and thats a new account i'm leveling that doesnt even have full runes and I don't have issues clearing camps. PS: Mejais is the willy wonka magic ticket.

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20151 votes

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http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=ovenmittromney

Terrible eve winrate there, and thats a new account i'm leveling that doesnt even have full runes and I don't have issues clearing camps. PS: Mejais is the willy wonka magic ticket.

im a eve player who have went both sword of the occult and mejais in the past, infact it use to be core on me. i know the usefulness of mejais. its a win harder item. always has been always will be.

OvenmitttNov 29, 20151 votes

Not anymore it isnt, since dark seal is the first thing you should buy after your half jg wep. You can stack early, since you have literally 0 chance of dying before teamfight stage unless you're stupid or greedy. Those stacks transfer straight over to mejais later, and in the meantime you basically have a dorans ring for the jg, that still snowballs your toon at a slower rate

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20152 votes

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Not anymore it isnt, since dark seal is the first thing you should buy after your half jg wep. You can stack early, since you have literally 0 chance of dying before teamfight stage unless you're stupid or greedy. Those stacks transfer straight over to mejais later, and in the meantime you basically have a dorans ring for the jg, that still snowballs your toon at a slower rate

on your main account you do not have mejais completed on the majority of your eve games, yet you are telling me its a "secret" eve weapon just because you linked me to your smurf where you are stomping new players? get the hell out of here lol

OvenmitttNov 29, 20151 votes

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on your main account you do not have mejais completed on the majority of your eve games, yet you are telling me its a "secret" eve weapon just because you linked me to your smurf where you are stomping new players? get the hell out of here lol

Look at the dates of my last game on my main acct. IT was well over a month ago (pre item changes). Mejais was built in almost all of those games as well, it was just sold during the games for other items (look at the item paths). The new mejais is better then the old, since you don't have to fully buy into it to stack up - it becomes an optional purchase.

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20151 votes

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Look at the dates of my last game on my main acct. IT was well over a month ago. Mejais was built in almost all of those games as well, it was just sold during the games for other items (look at the item paths). The new mejais is better then the old, since you don't have to fully buy into it to stack up - it becomes an optional purchase.

item 1082 is a standard starting item on any mage right now. this is common sense. it doesn't change the fact that its still a gamble item if you decide to turn it into a mejais. if you get to a point that you can get 25 stacks on it and turn it into a mejais then more than likely you would have won that game anyway. as i said, its just a win harder item.

OvenmitttNov 29, 20151 votes

give me a few minutes and ill do a normal you can spectate, brb gotta get a drink

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20151 votes

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give me a few minutes and ill do a normal you can spectate, brb gotta get a drink

if i can just spectate you then that would be pointless when ive watched nightblue who could NOT do a full flirst clear without backing on eve. do u know some secret over him?

also, u were the one who offered me to add u earlier for "lessons". why are u so inclined to not simply accept the invite and do a custom game with me now?

OvenmitttNov 29, 20151 votes

you don't do a full clear, even if you could. you clear 5 and leave red for after your clear, so you have max usable duration for ganks with it (if you start blue) or if you start red side, you just go gank with red buff at level 2. Five camps gets you level four.

Lessons on how to play eve right, get kills, collect elo, are completely unrelated to clearing jg the proper way.

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20152 votes

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you don't do a full clear, even if you could. you clear 5 and leave red for after your clear, so you have max usable duration for ganks with it (if you start blue) or if you start red side, you just go gank with red buff at level 2. Five camps gets you level four.

Lessons on how to play eve right, get kills, collect elo, are completely unrelated to clearing jg the proper way.

you still havent explained how you can clear over 3 camps on eve when nightblue cant. if your ally's are giving you super leashes then you mind aswell just say that. when your laners can help leash 2 camps for you then ya, ull prob get through jg pretty easily. otherwise you cant.

OvenmitttNov 29, 20152 votes

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you still havent explained how you can clear over 3 camps on eve when nightblue cant. if your ally's are giving you super leashes then you mind aswell just say that. when your laners can help leash 2 camps for you then ya, ull prob get through jg pretty easily. otherwise you cant.

I'm not nightblue (who is a shitty eve player), it isn't magic. You always get a good leash on gromp, but thats all you need.

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20152 votes

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I'm not nightblue, is isn't magic. You always get a good leash on gromp, but thats all you need.

i know you are not. the problem is nightblue is a challenger level jg main and has stated himself he cant do more than 3 camps with eve without good help from his laners yet you are saying you can.

anyway this is getting no where and has gone off topic. you still have yet to answer my main post. stalkers blade is no "reason" to finish runeglaive.

you also fail to realize that eve is in a bad spot right now. eves win rate has went down from 50% to 45% in the preaseason. that is a significant drop.

OvenmitttNov 29, 20151 votes

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i know you are not. the problem is nightblue is a challenger level jg main and has stated himself he cant do more than 3 camps with eve without good help from his laners yet you are saying you can.

anyway this is getting no where and has gone off topic. you still have yet to answer my main post. stalkers blade is no "reason" to finish runeglaive.

you also fail to realize that its not just me having this problem. eves win rate has went down from 50% to 45% in the preaseason. that is a significant drop.

It's not because eve got worse, it's because MMs, which are traditionally eve's primary targets, have gotten better. the shiv+cannon on hit combo is ridiculous to a low hp assassin. Winrate is completely irrelevant in pre-season as well, since people try new things. Don't read into it too much until ranked play starts for real.

Widder88Nov 29, 20151 votes

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i know you are not. the problem is nightblue is a challenger level jg main and has stated himself he cant do more than 3 camps with eve without good help from his laners yet you are saying you can.

I can do it too and I am only Platinum. Here is a replay how I do 6 camps with 12-18-0 masteries and no help:

http://savemyga.me/replay/EUW-2408186453.bat

It is way easier with 0-18-12 masteries.

However, I don't recommend to do a full clear. I rather gank or recall after 3 camps (red, wolves, blue)

If nightblue can't do it, he is maybe overrated.

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20151 votes

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I can do it too and I am only Platinum. Here is a replay how I do 6 camps with 12-18-0 masteries and no help:

http://savemyga.me/replay/EUW-2408186453.bat

It is way easier with 0-18-12 masteries.

However, I don't recommend to do a full clear. I rather gank or recall after 3 camps (red, wolves, blue)

If nightblue can't do it, he is maybe overrated.

im talking about bot side red camps. starting bot side in the past always allowed me to do a full clear if i wanted to. doing a full clear was always an option if i knew i couldnt gank a lane or invade the enemy.

also, the point was never about camp clearing to begin with. the point was about eve losing power from masteries this season.

Widder88Nov 29, 20151 votes

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im talking about bot side red camps. starting bot side in the past always allowed me to do a full clear if i wanted to. doing a full clear was always an option if i knew i couldnt gank a lane or invade the enemy.

krugs > chickens > red > blue > wolves > gromp is possible for me too. But I like red > wolves > blue more because it allows me to gank with doublebuff after 3 camps, and the enemy jungler has less time to steal buffs.

also, the point was never about camp clearing to begin with. the point was about eve losing power from masteries this season.

Which mastery changes hurt Evelynn more than other champions?

lolipopevelynnNov 30, 20151 votes

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krugs > chickens > red > blue > wolves > gromp is possible for me too. But I like red > wolves > blue more because it allows me to gank with doublebuff after 3 camps, and the enemy jungler has less time to steal buffs.

Which mastery changes hurt Evelynn more than other champions?

i already went over which masterys hurt her on first or 2nd page. deathfire grip simply can not compare to warlords or ferver in terms of offense.

as for camps, again you are missing the point entirely. doing a full clear then being able to gank > doing half of a clear and ganking. i could do a full clear bot side or top side before the patch and STILL pull off a gank as eve. if you try to do a full clear, on either side, you cant gank as eve because you have to back early to regen hp.

Widder88Nov 30, 20151 votes

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i already went over which masterys hurt her on first or 2nd page. deathfire grip simply can not compare to warlords or ferver in terms of offense.

I don't think anything can compare with Thunderloards degree in terms of offense. Warloards give 20% attack speed on crits, it is only good for Tryndamere, everyone else has to buy crit first to benefit. Fervor gives a stacking on hit effect against champions, probably good for tanky on hit champions and Adcs but thy need 7 AAs to do as much damage as with thunderloards. Deathfire touch is for AoE and DoT poke mages. It does less damage in a short all in than Thunderloards.

You complain about the removal of flat AD and AP, but Evelynn has to invest less points into scaling AD and AP now. Natural talent benefits hybrid champions.

You complain about hybrid penetration being lost, but there is precision in the cunning tree, what gives 3.3 - 8.3 hybrid pen depending on level. So it is better against squishys than the old mastery.

And than you say there is an offense tree. But there are two offense trees now. Ferocity is called Ferocity not Offense. Ferocity and Cunning are both offensive.

But it is true that no defensive masterys make Evelynn very squishy.

as for camps, again you are missing the point entirely. doing a full clear then being able to gank > doing half of a clear and ganking. i could do a full clear bot side or top side before the patch and STILL pull off a gank as eve. if you try to do a full clear, on either side, you cant gank as eve because you have to back early to regen hp.

This is maybe not possible anymore. Maybe try it with 12 points into resolve masterys with all the HP regen. Perseverance makes you almost undieable in the jungle, try to save as many health pots as possible, until you gank, and let the perseverance mastery work for you as much as possible.

OvenmitttNov 29, 20151 votes

If you start topside, its np. If you start bottomside, you take red and gank. Just how it plays out. Bottomside jg is harder then topside (though you can still clear 4 np with a decent leash at krugs).

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20152 votes

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If you start topside, its np. If you start bottomside, you take red and gank. Just how it plays out. Bottomside jg is harder then topside (though you can still clear 4 np with a decent leash at krugs).

there are times you can gank mid straight after red and times you cant gank straight after red. in the past you simply continued to farm up and full clear if the laners were playing safe and far back. that is no longer the case. if you start krugs then red you will be forced back unless an ali helped u tank it or something. if you are forced to tank the krugs urself you are going to have a hard time by the time you get to raptors.

having to start biscuit and 3 pots to avoid that is silly because you are missing out on runic affinity, which is several times more useful in the long run for junglers.

OvenmitttNov 29, 20151 votes

sent you an invite

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20151 votes

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sent you an invite

im already in a game now, ill accept after.

OvenmitttNov 29, 20151 votes

You don't gank mid after red, you go after the other jungler.

OvenmitttNov 29, 20151 votes

I just did a test run in a solo game and I cleared 4.5 camps without a leash, starting blue side, using a hunters potion and not consumable pots =/

so easy

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20152 votes

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I just did a test run in a solo game and I cleared 4.5 camps without a leash, starting blue side, using a hunters potion and not consumable pots =/

so easy

you already stated you take points in resolve for the jg sustain and clears, something you never needed to have to do before on top of losing sever key masteries on eve, which proves my point that i made to begin wih. she is losing out on damage. something you still havent addressed. her clearing camps is a minority point in all of this, meaning its the absolute least of her many problems.

OvenmittensNov 29, 20151 votes

Test run #2 got that to all 5, without a leash. Barely.

OvenmittensNov 29, 20151 votes

What damage are you losing out on? The only damage in the purple tree at all is merciless, and it ends up being less then 2% overall damage. It's a no brainer to trade 7% sustain for 2% overall damage, even on an assassin, ESPECIALLY when the side benefit is clear times and clear ability. Getting ahead first has intangible benefits, and will get you kills. That's how you snowball an assassin.

OvenmittensNov 29, 20151 votes

ill try it now with purple tree and pots. I bet i can still clear 5, since pots give you 300hp over the hunters pot

OvenmittensNov 29, 20151 votes

K, did it with purple tree (5 camps with no leash). its easier then blue. Have no idea how you cant clear more then two with a leash on gromp.

OvenmittensNov 29, 20151 votes

37 minutes, still waiting on you to accept.

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20151 votes

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37 minutes, still waiting on you to accept.

ive accepted.

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20151 votes

so its been established eve CANT do a full clear starting red side and can BARELY do 4 camps blue side. again, point has been proven in that regard. it is impossible to full clear as eve starting any side, with or without leash. feel free to ignore the rest of my points tho.

whats funny tho is he didnt even want to clear red side and just ignored it altogether and again threw around how he is plat. kids these days. thanks for proving me right tho.

OvenmittensNov 29, 20151 votes

Did 5 camps starting blue side with 0 leash. You will never clear red side in the game, its a pointless exercise.

Widder88Nov 29, 20151 votes

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she is legit unplayable. in the past, regardless of how harsh her nerfs were, i could find SOMETHING to make it manageable, but now i cant find anything. she is no longer fun to play and she is actually frustrating and torture to play. thats a BAD thing.

I found something for the early game: 12-18-0 masteries with feast and cookies, buy talisman+3 cookies then start at red, do wolves and blue and gank with almost full health if you want.

if not then atleast at bonus damage to monsters on her Q or something just so she can clear faster. if you really want to keep her power against champions in check then i think this would be the best option. her being able to clear faster is very important and runeglaive just isnt doing it anymore.

Bad idea. Evelynn is already pushed too much into the jungle role. Making her laning phase stronger would be a good idea instead.

lolipopevelynnNov 29, 20151 votes

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I found something for the early game: 12-18-0 masteries with feast and cookies, buy talisman+3 cookies then start at red, do wolves and blue and gank with almost full health if you want.

Bad idea. Evelynn is already pushed too much into the jungle role. Making her laning phase stronger would be a good idea instead.

i actually agree with that 100% im all for turning her back into a mid laner like she originally was.

ZLbSwAR23INov 30, 20151 votes

There are so many champs that are in front of her in the queue. Eve has had so much attention and a rework. Take Talon for example, he's seen nothing since 4.18.

lolipopevelynnNov 30, 20151 votes

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There are so many champs that are in front of her in the queue. Eve has had so much attention and a rework. Take for example, he's seen nothing since 4.18.

ya, i realize that she will get worked on in the "assassin" update, but meddler said it wont be till atleast mid year next year. ill just wait till then, this thread kinda got derailed by a ignorant elitist.

the disccussion is completely pointless as its been turned into a "i can clear camps" argument, which has nothing to do with eves current spot right now. there is no denying she is weaker this preason. significantly weaker.