Legit 0 counterplay post shiv+ie. Can't duel her even as an assassin because of her self peel. Still 3 shots squishes while permanently kiting melee bruisers and tanks till they die in 4 seconds. Wait that means twitch will be free and will 3 shot my entire team out of stealth while out of our range post 20 minutes. Her only real counter is draven who can 2 shot her with axes, but that is rng based because he needs to crit on both axes.
Bronze 6 Yasuo40 votesand she won't get nerfs because she's vayne.
hhaavviikk35 votes[{quoted}](name=Bronze 6 Yasuo,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Afcs38Ij,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-01T04:45:58.917+0000)
and she won't get nerfs because she's
vaynean ADC.
fixed it for ya
watch the bush5 votes[deleted]
hhaavviikk4 votes[{quoted}](name=watch the bush,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Afcs38Ij,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-01T20:55:41.835+0000)
Stop. You're circle jerking too hard and spending too much of your time on Reddit. Gold 5 in Season 6.
I never go to reddit, it's a waste of time I don't play ranked outside of the 10 placement matches for the free skin, it's a waste of time it'ts shown time and time again strong ADC's be avoiding nerfs
Disembark8 votesUr right.
It’s not like Lucian lost range and damage on his Q, Ulti, and W. Or they increased the mana cost on E and Q. And cooldowns on E.
It’s not like they hit Cait with 3 base attack speed nerds, nerfs to trap duration, and nerfs to Q damage.
It’s not like Jhins every ability got nerfed. Or Varus Q and E CDs masively increased.
I think you’re the biased one, not Riot. Pretty much only Twitch has avoided nerfs for multiple patches.
watch the bush4 votesCan't talk sense into sheep. Upvoted.
Bob the Toastr6 votesOn cait, they reduced the cooldown on traps and increased their damage.
On varus, the cooldown is the same or better than it was if you proc his w.
You're just telling half of the story.
Bârd8 votesShe won't get nerfs because she's balanced.
Bronze 6 Yasuo19 votesGo drunk you're home
Bârd11 votesPros
Cons
Vayne is pretty good at what she does, but don't act like she's some unbeatable god.
Faceroll Tactics11 votesShe’s balanced for the adc role, but she does what every adc does and make immobile melees eat shit the entire game. Which is why this 7 year long adc meta is so infuriating for people who play immobile melees
xelaker4 votes7 year... you have a poor memory my friend. they are just on the top of their power trend. have they been up there for too long? perhaps, but your hyperbole does nothing for the argument you are trying to make
Kloqdq2 votesMaybe not an ADC meta but they have been a powerful, relevant force that has almost always been needed since we've had standard lanes. When you have a role with so few options and mix that with such a tiny roster of options, I think it's fair to say, it's a little infuriating.
Daddy Ants22 votesBasically;
The OP and his ADC fed a Vayne (1/10 Nami and 1/7 Jhin) yet Vayne was 17/2.
Now he's complaining that Vayne is broken.
Bârd18 votesOh my, this looks like a kneejerk QQ thread somebody would make after getting curbstomped by a Vayne.
Oh would you look at that, the last game in your match history was you getting curbstomped by a Vayne.
Ok, lets look at that game.
At 21 minutes, when Vayne completed IE, she had 
.
At this point, your assassin (a Zed) had 
.
No shit he couldn't 1v1 her.
Vayne ended the game 17/2/3, while your Zed was 6/7/4. Why do you just expect that he should be able to 1v1 her?
Speaking from experience, giving that much of a gold advantage to anybody will result in a loss.
Witness an AD Soraka killing a Nocturne in four hits.
AD soraka wasn't OP, that team just played the match horribly enough to get a Soraka that fed.
Snowplosion10 votesWait, fuck 1. and 2. The Vayne is an entire freaking item up. Zed shouldn't be winning that one.
Pierce The Veal5 votesOh my, this looks like a kneejerk QQ thread somebody would make after getting curbstomped by a Vayne.
Oh would you look at that, the last game in your match history was you getting curbstomped by a Vayne.
Ok, lets look at that game.
At 21 minutes, when Vayne completed IE, she had
At this point, your assassin (a Zed) had
No shit he couldn't 1v1 her.
- He built Hydra, so he did jack shit for damage.
- He built mercs, so he had 0 armor.
- Vayne was a full item up on him.
Vayne ended the game 17/2/3, while your Zed was 6/7/4. Why do you just expect that he should be able to 1v1 her?
Speaking from experience, giving that much of a gold advantage to anybody will result in a loss.
Witness an AD Soraka killing a Nocturne in four hits.
AD soraka wasn't OP, that team just played the match horribly enough to get a Soraka that fed.
Except Vayne would have still won that fight at 2 items vs 2 items.
DuskDaUmbreon8 votesOnly if Vayne had the battlefield advantage. i.e. in a bush, with Zed walking right past her with W on CD, between her and a wall, with her ult ready. Or if the Zed had built extremely poorly (such as with that Hydra there).
Troll for Trump11 votesForget Vayne ADC, Vayne top is the real thing to be worried about
Bârd11 votesRunning Vayne top is just asking for a jungle gank.
Vayne's good at 1v1's since she can poke and kite one guy pretty well, but the moment there are more attackers than she can condemn away, she's in deep shit.
Pierce The Veal5 votesRunning Vayne top is just asking for a jungle gank.
Vayne's good at 1v1's since she can poke and kite one guy pretty well, but the moment there are more attackers than she can condemn away, she's in deep shit.
She's no worse against jungle ganks than other toplaners, and better in fact than the immobile ones. Especially with her q and e and the fact she can stand afar from the minion line. People need to stop being delusional about ADC's having legitimate weaknesses
DuskDaUmbreon6 votesExcept the immobile ones tend to be very tanky, have situational mobility (such as a Sion ult, which, while not real mobility, is still a hell of an escape), or have a fuckton of CC. Someone like Leona is gonna have a far lower chance of dying to a 1v2 than a Vayne.
Troll for Trump7 votesShe has no waveclear, which actually works in her favor top lane since she can freeze better.
She's vulnerable to ganks, but apparantly no one cares about top enough these days to both ganking.
It's similar to Quinn/Teemo where they can both get screwed over easily by ganks and they both often play overaggressive.
Bârd3 votesThe issue is that she can't clear the wave quickly even if she wants to.
If the enemy wants to back, they can shove in the wave, b, and get back before Vayne can kill her wave to tower.
Right Arm Strong3 votesthanks to 
now she can
Snowplosion7 votesDefinitely 
the 
best 
ADC 
DuskDaUmbreon7 votesLegit 0 counterplay post shiv+ie.
That's bullshit, and we both know it. Try CCing her.
Can't duel her even as an assassin because of her self peel
Try baiting it? You know, getting her to use it on someone else? You could also outplay it. I mean, when you lost to her, you were on Zed. If you were that worried about her E, you could have thrown a W towards her when she used it, then blinked back to your W.
Abraxus follower3 votesThat's bullshit, and we both know it. Try CCing her.
Try baiting it? You know, getting her to use it on someone else? You could also outplay it. I mean, when you lost to her, you were on Zed. If you were that worried about her E, you could have thrown a W towards her when she used it, then blinked back to your W.
LOL the truth +1 upvote
Scary Door5 votesYawn
Another Bronze-Problems thread.
DuskDaUmbreon6 votesNot even bronze problems. Please. Even I've figured out how to kick Vayne's ass by now.
Scary Door3 votesNot even bronze problems. Please. Even I've figured out how to kick Vayne's ass by now.
You're right, I take it back.
The OP is really having a "get good" issue.
watch the bush1 votesLow silver for 4 seasons in a row. A very big "get good" issue OP is having. For 4 seasons straight.
NineTailedMystic4 voteslol rank card.
watch the bush1 votes[deleted]
NineTailedMystic4 votesMy rank matters so much when I only played ~45 games of ranked last season, right?
Also you're gold too.
watch the bush4 votesYou're also Silver 3, janna main. What do you know about balance? Any champion is 'OP' if they're fucking 17-2. Your last match against Vayne you went 0-5-5. Learn to actually not feed the champion you claim is broken and needs nerfs first.
Please refrain from posting threads about your insight on balance issues, because keep in mind you have been low silver for 4 seasons straight. In a row. You're either refusing to improve and look at your mistakes before you claim a champion is broken, or you are just incapable of improving and reached your intellectual limits.
Also, it's so funny seeing all these kids circle jerk around Riot refusing to nerf ADCs. 'Why is a marksman out ranging me as melee', wow. Wow. WOW. Seriously? I'm honestly too lazy to look up the rest of you kids, but I refuse to believe you kids have ever reached even as much as low gold. Here's an idea, you bitch about getting kited and out ranged (by a marksman) by Vayne as an immobile melee champion, then how about - don't play an immobile melee champion against Vayne? Dummies.
ChuShoe8 votesI stopped reading after "You're silver 3, Janna main. What do you know about balance?" because I knew it was just going to be a pile of salt in response to a pile of salt.
watch the bush3 votesJust looked you up, you're also Silver. Did that hit too close to home? Salt? None.
It's just genuinely humorous how low silver players, especially those that have been stuck in low silver for 4 seasons straight in a row feel like they can talk about what they think is unbalanced. Vayne is strong in Silver, like any other champion because players in Silver have no idea how to counter / play around her / abuse her low range in low elo. I'm not surprised every match that consists of Vayne in Silver, the Vayne gets fed.
ChuShoe5 votesNo, it didn't hit close to home, I actually got silver from my placements, but my mmr states I'm around a gold level. I just dislike toxic players that constantly try to use rank as some kind of justification for being a dick.
Ranked is actually really annoying to play as a jungle main, considering I'm constantly getting yelled at to win your lane for you. That's why I play normals, because nobody cares in a norm.
watch the bush3 votesWhen you main Janna and you're Silver for 4+ seasons straight, there's clearly underlying issues that have NOTHING to do with Vayne, but anyone nowadays finds a reason to bitch about ADCs. The only ADC at the moment that truly deserves a nerf is Twitch. Vayne is completely balanced at the moment, especially in higher elos.
It's not toxic as much as it is the truth. Sorry, I'm not here to give you a pat on the back I'm here to tell you how it is. You can agree or deny it all you want, but I'm sure you know who's making the real factual insights here.
OP should be working on improving his play and learning how to play in certain match ups and learn champion counters, learn his win conditions.
Once again, when you're SILVER, LOW SILVER, FOR 4 SEASONS STRAIGHT I think it's okay to use someones rank 'as some kind of justification' to show them what the real issue is.
Dasdi964 votes[{quoted}](name=watch the bush,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Afcs38Ij,comment-id=001c0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-01T21:17:38.696+0000)
When you main Janna and you're Silver for 4+ seasons straight, there's clearly underlying issues that have NOTHING to do with Vayne, but anyone nowadays finds a reason to bitch about ADCs. The only ADC at the moment that truly deserves a nerf is Twitch. Vayne is completely balanced at the moment, especially in higher elos.
It's not toxic as much as it is the truth. Sorry, I'm not here to give you a pat on the back I'm here to tell you how it is. You can agree or deny it all you want, but I'm sure you know who's making the real factual insights here.
OP should be working on improving his play and learning how to play in certain match ups and learn champion counters, learn his win conditions.
Once again, when you're SILVER, LOW SILVER, FOR 4 SEASONS STRAIGHT I think it's okay to use someones rank 'as some kind of justification' to show them what the real issue is.
How about tell me some counterplay to a vayne with ie+shiv, and include some for all classes of champion?
watch the bush4 votesI'm not your coach, but once you get a grasp on the game and a good understanding of how the game actually works and work on improving yourself, you'll soon realize that the issue is not broken champions keeping you where you're at, it's yourself. There's plenty of guides and information out there, YouTube, Google. Use it.
If there's a Vayne on the enemy team, you probably should refrain from going Janna. I'd go an aggressive support / ADC to try and shut her down early, Janna is too passive. You don't want to play passive in a lane against a Vayne who only gets stronger the longer the games goes on. Leona, Thresh, Alistar, Lulu even.
In my opinion, I don't play support but the only time I'd ever play Janna is if I'm laning with an ADC that scales longer to get them through the laning phase.
28GOBLINPIE2 votesYou are 37% win rate gold 5 abusing adcs on a garbage region, keep ur hardstuck low elo mouth shut and stop insulting others ranks when I can overtake ur peak elo in 1 day u clown
RainbowIcee4 votesSooooo
is a problem (again)
is a problem (again)
is a problem
is a problem to some degree (again) += Riot: let's buff 
again he hasn't been in the spotlight in a month. ( not confirmed i'm just guessing given last time that's what they basically said )
WiegrafOfValor3 votesI just saw a rioter saying they like the fact that she's been played TOP. So, don't expect nerfs.
I wonder why the boards say riot is bias towards Adcs, maybe because they nerfed Mord and Ziggs for being good BOT while Adcs can be play on all 5 positions, maybe.
INoble KnightI2 votesBut Morde was redesigned to go bot...wtf?
Infernape5 votesHe was but he was strong (he was permabanned at Worlds that year) so they nerfed the ever living hell out of him. So he's viable there (there's some one tricks that play him bot) but he seems to be better in a solo lane.
GayFluffyUnicorn7 votesExactly. God beware other champs creep up botlane. Can't have that. Unbeatable vayne toplane? No problem, counterplay doesn't exist against marksmen only melees. But oh wait boards and reddit are totally smart i just pick ornn or maokai and im gucci. Oh thank god i have always the pleasure to counterpick and only like three champs i can actually pick. If i get counterpicked by vayne its also EASY AS HELL you just need your jungler to camp top and we all know we always get the good jungler on our team right? Nice counterplay. Pick a broken champ or pray for your jungler. Remember all the nerfs and reworks because marksmen had no counterplay against them? yeah
