Eye of the Equinox is basically a better warmogs and should be used instead of it, here's why

Spoofghoul··2 votes·457 views

When you compare the two items

item 2303 vs item 3083

You will notice that they are actually quite similar in stats

hp cdr regen

Reason 1

However Warmogs grants more hp right? Wrong! Eye gets a 240-355 permanent shield which when you really think about it, a permanent shield, is just the same thing as hp

so it gives about the same amount of hp a little more actually in the late game but the differences between the two after you get the shield are negligible at best

Reason 2 The regen, Warmogs has it's passive effect which grants obscene amounts of hp regen. However taking damage disables it. But Eye of the equinox also grants regen. Killing minions with the execute grants 50 hp, but also regenerates your passive permanent shield for 64-85 and as i already pointed out you can basically count that shield as hp therefore the shield regen as hp regen. While not quite warmogs heart levels of regen, well actually it is but it's way more limited, 4 procs limited, It also heals allies which is enough of an advantage over warmogs heart because being the only healthy guy around is pretty useless since everyone else will have to back and so 9/10 times you cannot stick around either because of it. The last advantage comes from the fact that you can actually use this regen in combat or siege situations unlike warmogs heart. All things considered it is actually a lot better then warmogs heart.

Reason 3 Wards You get access to extra wards allowing you to grab oracle lens and contribute majorly to the vision game This is something warmogs simply cannot compete with.

Reason 4 Gold generation! While i already wiped the floor with the stat differences, pointing out how Equinox actually holds an advantage there already as well as pointing out another major advantage with wards ill show you some more Gold generation is one of them. Killing minions gives your nearby allies gold, additionally you get more passive gold income too! It's also noteworthy that the item is 550 gold cheaper

Reason 5 Other advantages Out competing warmogs at it's own strengths and granting a few major other advantages there are a few minor advantages to consider as well The item being 550 gold cheaper as i pointed out and gold regen means you can get much much much faster! That is really nice , but another really nice thing about it is that the item isn't nearly as restrictive in it's use as you have no special health requirements before getting access to many of it's benefits Though you do need to gather the gold for the passive shield, which you should be doing anyway whenever you can to help team with gold and heals as well as getting a gold lead yourself. you can get the shield online pretty easy all things considered before you can even get warmogs passive active in almost any case. I mean all you need is for your jungler to come collect ''free tax money'' every time you want to shove lane and back to base, or if you are jungling then you go tax any lane which is ready to back Getting them advantages in gold without even having to successfully gank

Conclusion All things considered warmogs loses in every aspect vs this item rendering it obsolete outside of niche cases or fun builds. The question then becomes is item 2303 over powered? Or, is item 3083 under powered or simply trying to fulfill a niche in an nonviable way?

Edit Gotta love the boards haha

Give them 5 valid reason's why Eye is better then Warmogs and they down vote it

Just for the extra salt it will generate ill give 6th reason why Eye outclasses warmogs

Reason 6 Shields are stronger vs % health damage then plain health It's a minor one but it will help at times in your games

Additionally it will benefit from bonus shielding from certain items like item 3222 item 3107 And the runic armor mastery as well

11 Comments

Critmaster Garen1 votes

i agree. buff warmogs.

honestly, the item hasnt been really good anymore since bork was introduced to the game. there are only very few scenarios in which warmogs is still a good item.

most of the time at least when playing a bruiser, it makes more sense to grab item 3022 for hp than warmogs.

the item needs some hp back. maybe it should just lose another 50 hp and they should add a passive like cinderhulk that increases your bonus health by 10%.

or they could just add the minion stack mechanic back on, and cap it out at 1200 health.

Sujiren1 votes

I kind of like warmogs in lategame on tanks. Tanks like malphite had this one flaw, where they are restricted by their mana, abyssal mask now counters it, and no wag to regen hp, warmogs solves that issue now.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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I kind of like warmogs in lategame on tanks. Tanks like malphite had this one flaw, where they are restricted by their mana, abyssal mask now counters it, and no wag to regen hp, warmogs solves that issue now.

nah, youre too busy stacking armor on malphite to bother with warmogs.

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the item isnt worth. i would rather buy 2 randuins on him before i waste a slot on warmogs on malphite. he has simply better options.

jwebb01131 votes

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Malphite

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Malphite

abyssal only if youre stuck in an ap matchup.

you dont need sunfire cape when you have gauntlet, thornmail and enough armor. his waveclear is going to be good enough. you literally just need to tank the minion wave to clear it with thornmail and w.

dead mans to make roam plays, or randuins is a lot more valuable.

i guess it comes down to playstile, but i personally value the movement speed to be able to roam into other lanes and make ult plays more worth than the sunfire aura. it also helps you top get into position for an ult faster.

jwebb01131 votes

this build is 40% cdr ... abyssal helps with all of your damage ... the mana and hp passives from catalyst helps sustain... the bonus magic damage and sunfire with iceborn passive helps massive wave clear... and having tons of hp, armor , mr so you cant be killed by the ap champ

so not only do you not run out of mana. you are able to be a tank and be a threat with damage and abyssal helps your ap mid laner 's damage

Big Lincoln1 votes

warmog's is freelo

Holy Nocturne1 votes

Yea, warmogs is good the entire game - equinox is only good in very specific situations...

Holy Nocturne1 votes

Warmogs is good late game because of the insane regen. If you are playing a champ that needs to initiate but get poked down you have to recall and then walk back before you can do anything. Late game this makes it so you might lose a bunch of opportunities to close a game out. The regen is also good because if you hard initiate then peel out and live you can sit in the back for a sec and get full HP and do it all over again. Warmogs makes it possible to end games in situations where without it you wouldn't have been able to.

The items have 2 different purposes, not comparable.

Spoofghoul1 votes

Like i already pointed out, while this is technically true If your team gets poked you got yourself a problem because they would still need to back while you sit there jerking off at full hp not being able to initiate anyway. In general they are targeted over the tank, especially if you have warmogs, anyway.

However there is more to it, if you are facing anyone with a dot you are going to have to wait quite a bit for the passive to kick in

Sometimes however you might only face one enemy with proper poke in which case the shield provided by eye should be enough I mean you really should try to avoid getting poked down in the first place by sidestepping any projectiles heading your way.

Besides all that, this getting poked down only really applies to situations where you cannot use your execute passive to heal and shield up again.

In those cases, generally drake/baron cases you have another advantage with eye Namely you can get vision allover the place and use your oracle lens to cleanse theirs

If they can't see you it will be hard for them to hit you with poke in the first place, and if they can see you by moving in they give you a golden opportunity to engage on them.

Vision + hard engage are the best counters to poke anyway. especially combined

ValyrianBlade1 votes

Some champions are excellent at attracting a boat load of damage / eating 3+ ultimates abs surviving - which means they need the Regen on themselves while allies may not. Also you + adc can get a lot done after a teamfight even if you're the only 2 survivors - and the adc has lifesteal to heal while you tank.

Also, just as shields are better against % hp damage, hp is better with %hp abilities. Titanic hydra does more damage with warmogs. Cho'gath and Zac and Volibear etc scale better with warmogs.

Just some counter points - i can see your argument and would take it in to consideration. Maybe sometimes non-support champions should try this build. Especially in bronze and low silver, having more vision is really valuable and you've somewhat successfully argued that you're not giving up all that much for it.

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