either it was the guy who played him or the champion. but he adds 0 pressure in lane. literally all he did was drop a health relic now and then. and these things dont actually heal much.
what the hell is that champion? 0/10 if i wanted a passive healer, id ask for soraka in my lane. at least she has aoe silences and some form of poke.
it didnt look like bard really has anything useful in lane.
Trash MammaI2 votesI'll admit that bard is pretty useless compared to most supports in lane but he's far from being useless in general. The guy you had probably just sucked. The issue with Bard is the fact they made a support scale into a late game hyper-ish carry support.
And what do all late game carries get as a trade off? A shitty early game. And what role is suppose to be one of the better ones early on? Support.
They made Bard a contradiction to the role they forced him to be. He honestly would've been better off with decent AA damage and made into a jungler.
Critmaster Garen1 votesI'll admit that bard is pretty useless compared to most supports in lane but he's far from being useless in general. The guy you had probably just sucked. The issue with Bard is the fact they made a support scale into a late game hyper-ish carry support.
And what do all late game carries get as a trade off? A shitty early game. And what role is suppose to be one of the better ones early on? Support.
They made Bard a contradiction to the role they forced him to be. He honestly would've been better off with decent AA damage and made into a jungler.
then they need to give him somewhere else to go. if its jungle, fine. but i dont see anything useful in his kit as a lane support. whats his tunnel going to do against a leona or morgana? whats his heal gonna do? he cant really use it on demand in a pinch.
and he doesnt seem to have damage or poke otherwise. if your opponent decides to go agressive on you, he can literally do nothing but sit back and watch.
at least so it seems.
Trash MammaI1 votesHis tunnel can set up some pretty funny ganks on red side. If you get your jungler to come from behind your tower (in that little pit right below gromp) and use your portal you can both come in where the enemy never has wards. Since most people will try to all-in the adc or hard push when they see bard isn't there it makes it really easy to get the gank off.
Also i'll admit he's not good damage wise early on as much as I love the guy, but in most of my games I have adcs who will take free harass constantly without trying to trade/dodge then step on shrines as if they don't cost a lot. Then when he can't use his Q to stun/poke they get mad he has to wait for chimes to spawn closer for mana.
He's a terrific support..they just made him a late game support in which case he'd be the first late game support ever. They didnt' really think the general idea of bard through
Leti the Yeti2 votessupport scale into a late game hyper-ish carry support.
you're telling me bard actually scales into something that does damage I'm calling bullshit, he's a bouncing marshmallow
Trash MammaI1 votesAround 60 chimes (which is about 30-35 minutes in if played correctly) his meeps can easily put someone at half hp or lower. Along with a 50%+ slow in an AoE-wide range cone.
Late game you should have 40% cdr so none of your spells will be on cd that long and you should be pretty tanky.
Which is also another contradiction since being range generally means you're squishy as a trade off yet his best build path aims for him to go tank rather than lich bane or some shit like sona/lulu.
Also AP bard as a shitty early game but late game (again around 60 chimes) he can damn near 1 shot with meeps
Leti the Yeti1 voteswelp.. time to play bard havent played a single game with him since I bought him
build tanky was it?
Trash MammaI1 votes 
Spelltheif is better vs a melee (dont upgrade and sell it late game for talisman) because with the bandit mastery + spelltheif passive + meeps you get off some pretty good poke as well as really easy gold
Leti the Yeti1 votesi gotta go fast with the chaos emerald coin doe
wow how did i forget sightstone >.>
Trash MammaI1 votesCoin for more sustain if you're vs a poke heavy team like lulu and cait Spelltheif for more gold income + better poke
Talisman is always the better late game item tho.
Urane King2 votesBard is getting some bad moments in the League. Even some players are not wanting Bard to participate in a game, cause they think he is a troll champ. I have been thinking in some ideas that can make bard more useful.
Q- Is not a skill shot, but directed to a single target, but when it hits it, it continues. If it hits another champ or a wall (No minions), the both will get stunned. Slow doesnt apply in this skill.
W- More health, and he can place just one.
E- Continue the same
R- Will also do some damage (little) and slow enemy champs for 60%, because we see that the ultimate is mostly used to save allies. So its good if the enemies can be slowed so the allies (even hit by the ulti) can run safer.
Passive - The chimes appear more near from Bard. So he doesnt have to go to midlane to get a chime while his allies are there alone (and in danger of being grabbed by a Blitzcrank)
S H A Y C 01 votesi didnt have any trouble being useful in lane when he was free..tempted to buy him then spam to show you what he can do.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=ToiletteOfDoom ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AbKgYEWA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-04-28T20:17:04.817+0000)
i didnt have any trouble being useful in lane when he was free..tempted to buy him then spam to show you what he can do.
compared with thresh or tank supports he seems to have minimal impact. i mean even compared to other passive supports. janna, nami, lulu. they all seem to have a better kit for lane supports. and bigger moves in a fight.
MacDthree1 votesI agree with this for the most part. He's a very interesting champion, with a really cool kit - but it's just not useful for what he was designed to be in my opinion.
As a support, his heall is easily cancelled and doesn't ever seem to do much. Not to mention, by the time you are needing a heal (especially against bursty champs) you don't have the time to wait for his heal to charge, while avoiding being smacked in the face by the enemy when you go to get it.
Let us not forget that he has to spend an eternity out of lane to be any use late game, collecting his charms. Cool concept - but to me it doesn't make much sense to have somebody who's supposed to be for helping the adc forced out of lane to become anything useful late game.
I also feel like his tunnel is better designed to make him a mid or jungle champ, as at least then there are walls to tunnel through. Tunneling bot lane really only gives you a few options, considering there's just the one side of travel-friendly wall.
I was so excited when he came out that I bought him not only for myself, but also for a support main friend - and was thoroughtly disappointed.
All that being said, i have seen several good Bards. But not very many. __
SIayton1 votesI would love to see him reworked into a jungler. His kit is great for it if he could just clear better. Bot lane he just kind of falls flat without the reliable stun on his Q, although his auto attack harass is good.
TUFF Puppy1 votesThe heal should be a % health and % mana kind of thing (as in add %mana when bard isn't the one picking it up). scaling with level and or x amount of ap -> 1%
In my opinion, it should keep increasing based on time passed, up to a much higher cap than it has currently
The Q straight up needs to have a much faster missile speed
E cooldown could probably be dropped a bit, and maybe some passive stats added to it
Miku Hime sama1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AbKgYEWA,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-04-28T20:05:49.879+0000)
either it was the guy who played him or the champion. but he adds 0 pressure in lane. literally all he did was drop a health relic now and then. and these things dont actually heal much.
what the hell is that champion? 0/10 if i wanted a passive healer, id ask for soraka in my lane. at least she has aoe silences and some form of poke.
it didnt look like bard really has anything useful in lane.
He actually has the 2nd strongest heal in the game:
That is coupled with the fact he can also stack up to 3 at a time for future use. Yes Soraka does it better, but that aside...
As for poke, he has quite a lot, but it sounds like you were just unfortunate enough to be paired with an unskilled player. His damage spell has 80 base and his AA's have periodic bonus damage.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Miku Hime sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AbKgYEWA,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-04-28T20:51:26.836+0000)
He actually has the 2nd strongest heal in the game:
- Sona - 30
- Nidalee - 45
- Kayle - 60
- Alistar - 60
- Taric - 60
- Nami - 65
- Bard - 70
- Soraka - 120
That is coupled with the fact he can also stack up to 3 at a time for future use. Yes Soraka does it better, but that aside...
As for poke, he has quite a lot, but it sounds like you were just unfortunate enough to be paired with an unskilled player. His damage spell has 80 base and his AA's have periodic bonus damage.
the value might seem high, but he doesnt have it available when he needs it. mainly due to the windup time.
FizCap1 votesAll bards do is leave your lane to go and upgrade themselves and you're left 2v1ing your lane, bards are fucking useless
powerbats1 votesAll bards do is leave your lane to go and upgrade themselves and you're left 2v1ing your lane, bards are fucking useless
So you necro a 4 month old thread to whine about Bards despite the fact Riot's buffed them and now that people know how to actually play them. /Facepalm
Critmaster Garen1 votesSo you necro a 4 month old thread to whine about Bards despite the fact Riot's buffed them and now that people know how to actually play them. /Facepalm
i was actually surprised at seeing this. lol.
and 4 month ago, he really was kinda useless. honestly right now, people cant still get his ult down properly half the time and i barely see him anywhere.
im still convinced they should have made him a jungling or solo laning support. just a position on the map that allows him to roam more freely.
as long as theyre not as opressive as lulu, im against the idea of forcing supports into duo lanes anyways.