How do we make Veigar both VIABLE & HEALTHY?

Squidblimp··2 votes·1,070 views

This post is a work in progess. TOO LONG; DIDN'T READ VERSION Make Veigar's other abilities stun enemies while they are inside his [E] Event Horizon so that you can still follow up with [W] Dark Matter if you don't hit enemies with the wall. OR Increase the speed that [W] Dark Matter falls inside [E] Event Horizon so that you can actually land it.

Those are the best 2 ideas that I detail below, read on for more info and also more ideas:


I get what Riot means by Veigar being unfair by insta-killing you if he lands his stun on you, and his stun, previously instantaneous, was basically impossible to dodge. However, the big delay on his stun without compensation has made him unusable, since his [W] Dark Matter is so slow to land that it cannot hit any competent opponent without a stun.

However, I have some ideas that would keep the delay on Veigar's stun, making it dodgeable, but would still allow Veigar to get his full burst combo off if the player is skilled.


[E] EVENT HORIZON: I would usually start with his [Q] since that would be in order, but I want to first bring up his stun, since that is the part of the kit that is most destroyed right now.

IDEA 1: Make Veigar's other abilities stun his enemies if they land on them while they are INSIDE [E] Event Horizon. They would be stunned for the same duration as [E] Event Horizon would stun them for, and this would change as you leveled up his [E], as usual. This way, you can aim to trap enemies instead of just hitting them with the wall, and then very quickly follow up with a stun from your [Q] Baleful Strike or your [R] Primordial Burst since these come out quickly, and then you can land your [W] Dark Matter since they are stunned. Possibly, the duration of [E] Event Horizon would have to be increased, and possibly the cooldown could be increased too. WHY IT'S VIABLE: Veigar isn't just relying on his delayed [E] Event Horizon stun to stun his enemies, he can still follow up with his other abilities to stun them and then reliably land his [W] Dark Matter. He also isn't only aiming to hit his enemies with the wall of [E] Event Horizon, he is aiming to trap enemies too. WHY IT'S HEALTHY: Let's talk about Veigar's other abilties which can now stun inside [E] Event Horizon. - Veigar's [Q] Baleful Strike is now a skillshot. It can be dodged. That means, even while trapped inside [E] Event Horizon, enemies can sidestep it. However, a good Veigar should reliably land it. - Veigar's [W] Dark Matter is impossible to land anyway, and the whole reason of the stun is to land this skill, so there's no point talking about this one since landing it is all luck. - Veigar's [R] Primordial Burst is a point-and-click targeted spell, and by extension, a targeted stun, but the reason this is fine is because it is on such a high cooldown, meaning Veigar cannot use his ultimate to stun every single time he catches someone. Also, it has a shorter range than his other abilities, meaning Veigar would have to waste time walking up to his target to stun them this way, and possibly risk having the duration of [E] Event Horizon run out.

IDEA 2: ** Greatly reduce the delay on Veigar's [W] Dark Matter while when it is cast inside of [E] Event Horizon's area of effect.** WHY IT'S VIABLE: WHY IT'S HEALTHY:

12 Comments

OhOkYea3 votes

How do we make Veigar both VIABLE & HEALTHY?

Learn to play him properly

DoomsdayFo2 votes

Wow you are just in almost every board i've read and its always with negative comments like wtf? You need to learn to not be negative all the time, have you even played post-changes veigar?

OhOkYea2 votes

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Wow you are just in almost every board i've read and its always with negative comments like wtf? You need to learn to not be negative all the time, have you even played post-changes veigar?

Yup and I wreck face with him before and after the changes. The first game after the changes was awkward but after that, it got easier. The only real problem so far is that team mates have no idea how to use veiger's abilities to score an ace. but when they do, it's GG EZ

DoomsdayFo1 votes

True i do agree with you, i play veigar alot after the changes, but i never played him before the changes so it is easier than i imagine most people because i dont have anything to go off of

OhOkYea2 votes

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True i do agree with you, i play veigar alot after the changes, but i never played him before the changes so it is easier than i imagine most people because i dont have anything to go off of

Yes well the team mate problem is an issue with a lot of champs. Heimer for example. People have absolutely no idea how easy they can take down the enemy team if they lure enemies to a turret trap. With veiger, honestly just find myself needing a few extra wards here and there. Jungler ganks get wrecked. TP ganks get wrecked.

DoomsdayFo1 votes

Thats actually a pretty good strat, your probably one of those that get chat banned alot but are actually pretty decent-good right?

OhOkYea1 votes

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Thats actually a pretty good strat, your probably one of those that get chat banned alot but are actually pretty decent-good right?

I've never been chat banned. I don't flame people over a video game. Unless you're close to challenger level, you shouldn't be trash talking anyone in game.

Anyways, do you mean the heimer thing? Yes it's so good. Especially in the small bush by dragon. Throw all 3 turrets in it and hope the enemies come/team lures them to it. Pop ult + another turret and they all die.

Although I doubt this'll work at higher elos?

Squidblimp1 votes

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Learn to play him properly

You didn't read anything past the title did you?

Sonny19982 votes

Un nerf him and learn to counter champs.

Squidblimp1 votes

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Un nerf him and learn to counter champs.

I don't think Riot will make the stun instant again though. That considered, do you find my idea to be a good one?

Raise Dongrs2 votes

Veigar is already healthy; his E is now being used for it's initial purpose. A trap that the enemy can't escape. It's the best zoning tool in the game and from inside the circle Veigar unleashes his flurry of attacks. He's fine as he is, get over yourself

Squidblimp1 votes

Anyway, if you're saying you wreck face with him, that's cool. But here's a question; how do you land Dark Matter against competent players? Nobody should be getting hit with that. And sure, you trap with with your stun, and then you can Q and ult, but Dark Matter is very very unreliable right now. It's basically waveclear, zoning, and bush-checking right now, not an actual viable part of his burst combo. That's why I thought of this idea. You're free to disagree of course.

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