Reminder that Rylai's still sucks and is the least built AP item in the game

waiting for WoW·Sep 11, 2017·48 votes·2,694 views

Seriously Riot add to or change something about Rylai's during preseason.

81 Comments

Zed geniusSep 11, 20177 votes

remember back when rylai's was basically a MUST for every mid laner in the game? Hell, even not getting it on talon was troll at one or two patches. Now it is more of a situational item and can be good on a lot of AP champions

GayFluffyUnicornSep 11, 20172 votes

It's where it is intented to be honestly. A niche item. Rylais meta was the same as ardent meta. Whoever can rush it wins those who can't are unviable.

Critmaster GarenSep 11, 20177 votes

the only thing they should do with rylais is delete it.

fuck ranged permaslows on a button press.

fuck the item and everything it stands for.

waiting for WoWSep 11, 201716 votes

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the only thing they should do with rylais is delete it.

fuck ranged permaslows on a button press.

fuck the item and everything it stands for.

As a Garen player shouldn't you be more conerned about Frozen Mallet Gnar with his AA permaslows?

Critmaster GarenSep 11, 201723 votes

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As a Garen player shouldn't you be more conerned about Frozen Mallet Gnar with his AA permaslows?

im pretty sure i hate both items on ranged champs equally.

you will never hear me complain about item 3030

this is an example of an item with a healthy slow mechanic. a windowed active, that supports your ability to kite and that both sides can play around.

i know juggernauts are supposed to be susceptible to kiting. but there is a difference between an item that supports your ability to kite like glp, and an item that straight up gives a lot of ranged champions an auto win button for 100% reliable perma cc against slow moving melee champions.

malzahar pressing e on you for a 4 second slow isnt a healthy mechanic. neither is tibbers aoe slowing everything around him for 20 seconds, or zyra throwing down plants that shoot in random directions and slow everything in the vicinity to basically give her aimbot for her other cc abilities.

the same goes for mallet on ranged champions like Gnar Teemo Kalista KogMaw of course.

permaslows like this dont belong in the game. they should remain nieche for very specific champion kits that are balanced around such a mechanic, and not available for a broad portion of the champions.

FairyfleurSep 11, 20178 votes

Those ranged "permaslows" have a cooldown and a mana cost, but that isn't to say a slow on every spell isn't inherently a bad thing.

Death by GlamourSep 11, 20172 votes

By the time someone gets rylias I don't think the man's cost nor cds will be much of an issue

ArakadiaSep 12, 20172 votes

Rylais offers neither CDR or mana. You'll have to invest in a lot of other items just for the perma slow. And even then a lot of mages cannot perma slow.

Death by GlamourSep 12, 20171 votes

Yes people rush items that grant cdr and mana over rylias, that is why I said by the time people get it those stats wouldn't be a problem

WinTheWarOnPantsSep 11, 20176 votes

The fact that item 3022 has the same gold efficiency yet has .5 second longer slow, 20% more slow on melee and 10% more on ranged is a joke. Ad's almost never buy it though cause they have a myriad of better options unlike AP's.

chipndip1Sep 12, 20172 votes

Because it gives only 30 ad?

DaNinadSep 12, 20173 votes

700 health

DuskDaUmbreonSep 12, 20171 votes

Frozen mallet is almost strictly a juggernaut item. It gives 700 health and 30 AD. Its slow also requires autoattacking, which you can only do to 1 or 3 targets at once, 3 only if you have Runaan's (which Juggernauts don't buy), whereas Rylai's gives slow on spells, which are very often AoE.

SweedishGunnerSep 12, 20174 votes

Haven't both Kog and Kalista dabbled in buying it before? QT actually bought it on Kog today on stream.

Yasuo frequently buys Mallet too.

ArakadiaSep 12, 20171 votes

Gnar too.

SweedishGunnerSep 12, 20173 votes

Gnar is a juggernaut though right? Thaf's why I didn't mention him, even though I think Gnar is the most cancerous champ with this item since he has Hyper procs and builds BC.

ArakadiaSep 12, 20171 votes

Gnar isn't classified as a juggernaut iirc.

Velzard of KozSep 12, 20171 votes

He should be Marksman / Diver.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 12, 20171 votes

I haven't seen Kalista buy it, but I'm pretty sure that Kog'maw and Yasuo only buy it because they desperately need that health, which is the same reason Kindred always buys Black Cleaver, because they just can't survive without that health (although the secondary effects (slow for mallet, CDR and armor shred for BC) is very appreciated, of course).

Let's be serious, those guys are the exception, not the rule.

HenzoAFSep 11, 20173 votes

Not even close:

1º item 3056 2º item 3091 3º item 3004

PrimaquariusSep 11, 20171 votes

With all the tanks and divers on a team comp nowadays, whats the use of Ohmwrecker anymore?

LordGeovanniSep 12, 20171 votes

thats what ohm wrecker is for those exact things

waiting for WoWSep 11, 201734 votes

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Not even close:

1º 2º 3º

None of those have AP on them, nor are they mage items.

HenzoAFSep 11, 20173 votes

I'm not saying they are AP, I'm saying they are less built than item 3116

Also, item 3116 is great on Malzahar , don't change that!

Report for WujuSep 11, 201717 votes

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Also, is **cancerous **on , don't change that!

fix'd

Krys StarSep 11, 20173 votes

Reminder that Rylai's still sucks and is the least built AP item in the game

That is the topic title. This topic is about AP items, items which are intended for mages. Not items in general. Also Manamune is an item intended for very few, certain champions.

Chembaron YamadaSep 12, 20171 votes

With the VGUs, Riot was decreasing the pool of champions who are using this item alot. It is actually too niche to be justified in this game anymore, in my opinion they should rework Manamune/Muramana.

CorvidSep 11, 20173 votes

Wrong. I build it on Taliyah, Viktor, and Malzahar. Sure its not the first item, but its not supposed to be. Its utility after all.

Sir FuzziSep 11, 20173 votes

Ooh! 'Member when Rylai's didn't suck? And it turned nearly every mage who relied on it into an absolute control monster that could kite just about anything in the game except Master Yi?

I 'member!

Oooh!

TyermaillinSep 12, 20173 votes

Do you have like any proof of it being the least bought AP item or are you just talking out of your ass like 99% of the people who post

FrightningSep 12, 20173 votes

It was fine until they decided to nerf it's slot efficiency into the gutter...., ya know, when it went from being 400 health, 100 AP, and a decent slow for 3100g, to 300 health, 75 AP, and a crappy slow for 2600g.

chipndip1Sep 12, 20176 votes

It wasn't fine when it was an 100 ap item. EVERYONE built it.

Weiss GuertenaSep 12, 201710 votes

It was fine before it was an 100 AP item. And then Riot nerfed the shit out of big AP items and then slapped a 100 AP tag on an item which also offered strong utility. No shit that every AP champion is going to build it.

Oh, and then they whipped out the nerfbat and smacked it until it became a shadow of its former, pre-100 AP self. Just another shining example of Riot "balancing" efforts and trying to fix what ain't broken.

FrightningSep 12, 20174 votes

^ This guy gets it, if the item was REALLY too good at 400 health and 100 AP (which after nerfs to other AP items, maybe it was), drop the AP to 80, maybe buff health to 500. Voila, no longer immediate must buy (Luden's was and still is a 100 AP item with a useful passive).

KnightOfEloHellSep 11, 20172 votes

YESSIR

It's so bad that Id rather build mobility items, or as of recently, go AD CDR Mordekiaser.

I barely build Rylias since the nerf, since I can't feel the slow anymore unless I'm ult ing someone (I'm a Morde one trick)

Somebody Love MeSep 11, 20172 votes

I wish they did the same thing they did with mallet.

More health, less ap, and an actually decent slow

PePsiLemoNNSep 11, 20172 votes

item 3030 item 3003

waiting for WoWSep 11, 20173 votes

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Seraph's Embrace is an amazing item and would be OP if most mages could charge a tear effectively. I'm pretty sure every mage would build it if they could.

GLP is also a very good item with all around good base stats plus the eternity passive. The only reason why you wouldn't want it is if you're unable to or don't know how to use it's active. It's a solid alternative to ROA if you want an earlier game power spike with the eternity passive.

Sozan5Sep 11, 20172 votes

I think it's supposed to be like this.

Rylai is clearly meant to be a niche item.

Imperial JapanSep 12, 20172 votes

Reminder that Ohmwrecker* still sucks and is the least built item* in the game

R18Sep 12, 20171 votes

Nope, Tracker's Knife Bloodrazor is.

Imperial JapanSep 13, 20171 votes

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Nope, Tracker's Knife Bloodrazor is.

I bet it's built more on accident

kasfasSep 12, 20172 votes

+5 ad

sobi999Sep 12, 20171 votes

That was a good one :D That's how riot balances :D

ForFoxSakesSep 12, 20172 votes

It's not necessarily Rylai's that's the problem, it's all the baked in CC into abilities which makes the item not needed. Only champs who would use it then are those without baked in CC, which are most non meta champs now because they're not seen as attractive picks without free CC

StairCasexdSep 11, 20171 votes

The only one who really builds rylais is aurelion sol, at least from what I see. Making that item too strong could be a buff to him and he's pretty strong right now, especially at high elos.

FloupiSep 11, 20176 votes

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SweedishGunnerSep 12, 20171 votes

I believe some pro-players are skipping Rylais on Azir now and going straight into Zhonyas/Void as a second item.

I've tried it and Void second item really helps Azir's questionable mid game damage.

UnvictusSep 12, 20171 votes

They overnerfed it for sure. I agree that Rylais was a problem for a while, because it gave more ap than most of the other items due to its counterparts getting nerfed and it provided every ap champ with good utility. Problem is they nerfed both the slow and the ap it gave. I think they shoulda just nerfed the slow and it woulda been fine. If not then they coulda revisited the item and dropped the ap slightly. In it's current state there just isn't too many situations where its a good buy compared to other ap items that aren't "as nerfed" (cause lets be honest ap items as a whole need some tuning).

R18Sep 12, 20171 votes

Not true. Hextech-GLP, Archangels, Frost Queen's Claim, Nashors, Banshees, Athenes, Eye of the Watchers, and even gunblade are less popular than Rylais. Rylais may not be Morellonomicon strong, but is mandatory on many champions such as Aurelion. Where did you get your data?