Just look at those Riven buffs on PBE. Lmao

WoonStruck·Sep 12, 2019·117 votes·22,008 views

A massive buff to her W AND R.

Since they're buffing the minimum damage on her R from 100 to 175, she's just going to stat-check harder. On top of that they're significantly increasing her scaling on W and R minimum damage by 30% bAD each.

Looking at her now, she in no way needs buffs this large to her early game. You're basically making her level 6 an automatic kill.

This is the opposite of an interactive change on a champion notorious for leaving little for an opponent to do in terms of outplay.

Edit: This was added to the PBE on after I created this post:

"Damage % increase based on missing health lowered from [0-200%] to [0-100%]."

Now the minimum is going up significantly, while the max damage remains the same.

85 Comments

RagnaveilSep 12, 201993 votes

Its clear: Skins >>> Top Lane Balance

NaalithSep 12, 20195 votes

Not just top lane balance, this shit happens everywhere. The only exceptions I can think of are a small Evelynn nerf when K/DA launched, and this patch when they nerfed Xayah (but then again, pro play $$$$$ might override skin $$$$$).

GigglesOSep 12, 201926 votes

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Its clear: Skins >>> Top Lane Balance

Money > Player happiness.

xelakerSep 13, 20192 votes

skins > balance

General Esdeath Sep 13, 201915 votes

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Its clear: Skins >>> Top Lane Balance

Hey come on man that's not fair to say, everything comes before top lane balance

RagnaveilSep 13, 20192 votes

True. Next meta in top is Mages.

The Last PadawanSep 13, 20191 votes

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True. Next meta in top is Mages.

Wasn’t lissandra/ryze top a thing back then?

AlbYiKillerSep 13, 20191 votes

I remember when lissandra with aftershock was meta top and mid, yea if i'm not mistaken it was around the time her new skin came out :) Took them quite a bit to nerf her then aftershock then her again, and now she's forgotten how strange

GostivvSep 14, 20191 votes

I mained Lissandra before she started abusing aftershock She's just so bad right now... Before it was an easy kill lvl 6 but now you have to poke with you small range q like 10 times before you can go in for the kill lmao Riot games are so fucking r%%%%%ed like what the fuck

5050BSSep 12, 201938 votes

9.19 changes are all BS buff. All Riot seems to do is buff damage and Stun Duration (to deal with the buffed Damage)

Literally the Balance team has no clue how to do their job.

Gear5LuffySep 13, 20199 votes

Xin Zhao point and click E slows up to 70% now its a fck disgrace they would even put that shit up for testing

ContDeCaterinca1Sep 13, 20192 votes

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Xin Zhao point and click E slows up to 70% now its a fck disgrace they would even put that shit up for testing

It's rank 5 E(everyone maxed E last and 0.5 secs slow). Xin needs some love, even though every jungler is still likely going to trash him.

Gear5LuffySep 13, 20191 votes

he does need love but not on his point and click ability give it to his ult or W that require timing at least

wolviusSep 12, 201921 votes

https://i.imgflip.com/3aezlg.jpg

DarkTree1Sep 12, 201916 votes

she's getting a prestige skin bro, don't you want riven to be pick/ban every game so you can see the cool skin more often? would be so cool, dude

NoizyBoiiSep 12, 201914 votes

I'm a riven main myself and me and the other riven mains agree that this is a stupid buff that is unwanted

RagnaveilSep 13, 20197 votes

I mean, they probably wont listen to you this time because they want you people to buy the new skin. So have fun killing people with R2 at 40% health.

HopeStartsWithUSep 12, 201913 votes

Completely unnecessary buffs since her winrate has stabilized after the nerfs. Probably because of her new skin and worlds since 9.19 will be the worlds patch.

Nea104Sep 12, 201911 votes

They totally do that for money, and it's so unprofessional and disgusting.

At least people who will keep buying their skins will be known for what they are :D

CaTaStR0FaSep 13, 201910 votes

Better Nerf Aatrox

PumpedheroSep 13, 20191 votes

Fr. Riven problem? Nerf aatrox, oh? Rengar problem? Easy nerf AAtrox, oh u people were actually enjoying a balanced champ that actually has mechanics to use that arent complex af, nope, nerf MF Aatrox.

Chembaron YamadaSep 13, 20192 votes

If a champion has above 90% presence in pro play, then this champion is definitely not balanced. Aatrox is broken, they need to find a way to make him unviable for pro players while still making him decent for SoloQ, just how they did for Urgot. Ever since they moved Urgot's shield from W to E, he is a non-factor in pro play.

Harden StepbackSep 12, 20199 votes

shes getting a new skin, riot isn't even trying to hide it anymore

FlemmanSep 12, 20199 votes

Honestly, they need to give her energy (ki) to manage her spell at that point. Would make more sense and will open a real weakness to balance her around

Póppy ChuloSep 12, 20197 votes

soooo... let me get this. They nerf her already low Q cd by 4 seconds, call it a huge nerf, then buff two of her ratios by 30% and increase minumum R damage by 75-125? neat.

Here is a good change. Remove item 3812 cdr.

UrFieryDoomSep 12, 20195 votes

Yea shes not underpowered by any means. Like I mentioned on reddit that riot nerfs people like Yi over low elo in their core aspects(attack speed, onhit damage, ad, core item) but buffs someone that can oneshot you by spamming buttons and gaining random shields.

YäätoSep 13, 20195 votes

How to tell boards have no analytical skills at all, overact to anything with personal bias and instead of adapting would rather complain about seriously MINOR details:

Step 1: Riven doesn't R2 anyone at full hp. That R2 buff is literally just a little extra aoe dmg to anyone she hits who isn't her primary target.

Well.. that's all I have really. You guys bitching about the wrong champ honestly. These buffs are very minor. If those Xin buffs go through though.. god damn.

RagnaveilSep 13, 20193 votes

You forget the ratio on her R2 scales with the lower health the target is, right? That means the max indeed got buffed. The key thing is her Rank 2 and 3 ult. Current: Lv 11: 150-450 (60-180% bAD) Lv 16: 200-600 (60-180% bAD) PBE: Lv 11: 250-750 (90-270% bAD) Lv 16: 325-975 (90-270% bAD)

Who in gods name thinks a maximum of 975 + 270% bAD (which her R first cast grants more of) is a good idea??? Like jesus christ, its like they want her to just pentakill with Flash Q W R2.

Sewer SideSep 13, 20192 votes

No, the missing HP bonus is getting slashed in half.

The max damage isn’t going up. Only the minimum is.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/d3fgxy/riven_getting_buffed_on_pbe/

Here, you can look at OP’s edits and find the Rioter who’s posting the changes for proof

RagnaveilSep 13, 20192 votes

Yeah, because they recently just added it to that. Last I checked, that part WASNT there.

Sewer SideSep 13, 20192 votes

Yes, but remember before you post all PBE stuff are usually WIPs.

It’s still a buff she probably doesn’t need (her minimum doesn’t need to go up), but they’re not adding an absurd ratio to the max damage

ŚhunpoSep 13, 20191 votes

Riven doesn't R2 anyone at full hp. That R2 buff is literally just a little extra aoe dmg to anyone she hits who isn't her primary target.

R1->E->R2->Flash->Q+W(auto) exists. I'm sorry, but she does R2 people even if it's not for the max value execute.

For reference, the combo looks like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR4g7bCDGZA

YäätoSep 13, 20191 votes

You obviously don't know how that combo works. The reason that one shots so well is that if done correctly, the R proc happens AFTER your WQ.

ŚhunpoSep 14, 20191 votes

You can time it to do either.

YäätoSep 14, 20191 votes

You don't time it to do either, you time it to one shot. The whole point of that is so your R goes off after the WQ combo. If it doesn't, you've essentially failed the combo.

Toxic TeetoSep 12, 20193 votes

BuT sHe Is NoT eVeN gOoD rIgHt NoW!?!? xD

Time to stop playing top lane :) I'll let others suffer the horros of top :)

SiG DxDSep 13, 20193 votes

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IllabetheSep 13, 20192 votes

Let's do the math. Suppose Riven has 200 AD (Mid game), Level 11 Ult, and we're looking at a target with 50% HP (maybe 1000 HP left)

Old:

Blade gives 20% Bonus AD, so 110 Bad becomes 132 Bad.

Wind Slash: 150 + .6 *132 = 229.2 and at 50% HP increased by 133% = 534.6 Damage. Wouldn't kill, would have a remaining 465 HP.

New: Same BaD WInd Slash: 250 + 9132 = 368.9 and at 50% HP, increased by 50% = 553.6

#Bottom Line: It is a small buff. It's not gargantuan, but it could scale in executes at about 30-40% HP where it wouldn't have before. Kind of like what they are doing with Evelynn.

Reaper SorakaSep 13, 20192 votes

[fiora-cool] : Riven is a little on the weaker side I feel. Let's give her a slight buff.

[sg-lux-2] : Do you even play this game? [fiora-cool] : On occasion. I mostly analyse the statistics of it and base my balance theories off that. Win percentages, loss percentages, ban percentages, hovered-in-champ-select percentages... [sg-lux-2] : BUT DO YOU ACTUALLY PLAY IT? [fiora-cool] : No, I just like to say I do a little to make people think I'm not completely clueless. [sg-lux-2] : THIS IS WHY THE GAME SUCKS. YOU ARE TRYING TO BALANCE SOMETHING YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND. PLEASE GTFO I HATE YOU SO MUCH. [fiora-cool] : Sylas nerfs. [sg-lux] : OMG I LOVE YOU SO MUCH MAYBE I CAN BE A MID LANE AGAIN THIS IS GOING TO BE AMAAZIIIIIIING WOOOOOOO

LegacyDAPSep 13, 20193 votes

Thanks, I hate it.

inFamous ZionSep 13, 20191 votes

Right now when Riven just throws her R at a target, she deals no damage. The only time when you can feel Rivens R damage is when she is far ahead, but other than that she needs to work it in order to bring the target to the low enough hp to kill with R.

When you look at other champions their base R damage is much higher even for execution ults. Garen for instances can have 800 damage from his R which is not a skill shot just click. Darius who can go full tank, can deal 1000 true damage with his R. There are many examples like this so don't be too quick to judge this buff since it might not change much especially since she is in a really bad state now due to counters on top and E still being gutted.

TeodorusofNoxusSep 13, 20192 votes

Both Garen and Darius lack Riven's mobility and spammable shield. Not to mention Darius has to hit you 5 times to get 1000 damage at level 16. It could even be 6 times if you enter his inner Q and deny a bleed. That is 6- 7 seconds of room to run away, stun him or even kill him. Riven can jump a wall. Blow your adc in 1-2 seconds. Shield herself after, then stun the adc's team and hop out with 50 percent or more hp. If the enemy team is behind she can kill someone else before hopping out.

inFamous ZionSep 13, 20191 votes

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Both Garen and Darius lack Riven's mobility and spammable shield. Not to mention Darius has to hit you 5 times to get 1000 damage at level 16. It could even be 6 times if you enter his inner Q and deny a bleed. That is 6- 7 seconds of room to run away, stun him or even kill him. Riven can jump a wall. Blow your adc in 1-2 seconds. Shield herself after, then stun the adc's team and hop out with 50 percent or more hp. If the enemy team is behind she can kill someone else before hopping out.

Riste got a challenger with Garen and people say he is a non existent champ.

There are numerous ghost flash Darius challengers every where and they build tanky enough to get those 5 stacks (with steraks ofc), so its fairly easy to do that. Darius was meant for extended trades he is considered a toughest counter for Riven when played correctly. (despite the mobility you talk about)

DOUBLE TAPPED ESep 13, 20191 votes

There are Challenger OTPs for every champion in the game, if you look at all regions combined. Even Ivern and MonkeyKing

XJ99999999999999Sep 15, 20191 votes

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Riste got a challenger with Garen and people say he is a non existent champ.

There are numerous ghost flash Darius challengers every where and they build tanky enough to get those 5 stacks (with steraks ofc), so its fairly easy to do that. Darius was meant for extended trades he is considered a toughest counter for Riven when played correctly. (despite the mobility you talk about)

spamming solo q isnt hard to get challenger. thats why league feels like a grind instead of you being the highest ranks if you are good.