maokai is being nerfed but not sejuani

Big Lincoln·Jul 21, 2017·7 votes·600 views

makes no sense lol, she's just as overpowered as he is, even before the cinder changes she was op so

time to sejuani her for the third time riot, make sure she stays dead this time

39 Comments

HalcyonDwellerJul 21, 20173 votes

Milk is being outlawed but not lemonade. God forbid these two things that are not the same be treated differently.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Big LincolnJul 21, 20172 votes

overpowered champ = overpowered champ

not that hard

HalcyonDwellerJul 21, 20173 votes

Not how it works. They're both tanks, and they might both be strong (not confirming nor denying this). But you can't just equate two champions without providing reasoning.

What reason is there for us to believe you or change our opinions? You have not provided one yet.

Big LincolnJul 21, 20172 votes

mb forgot that boards will only recognize a champ as Op if you list out every aspect of their kit and exaggerate it lul

passive synergy is 2 strong with stoneplate and locket, unfair durability in fights when she has items. damage is way too high for being a champ with 4 crowd control spells and the best lock down in the game

archerno1Jul 21, 20174 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AVUN0XTF,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-21T20:39:25.085+0000)

mb forgot that boards will only recognize a champ as Op if you list out every aspect of their kit and exaggerate it lul

passive synergy is 2 strong with stoneplate and locket, unfair durability in fights when she has items. damage is way too high for being a champ with 4 crowd control spells and the best lock down in the game

Can you back any of that up with numbers? Mathematics? Why is too strong? How is her damage too high. Anything? You keep just "saying" stuff, but u arent providing any real evidence of your claims. You arent automatically right just because you said something.

Big LincolnJul 21, 20171 votes

the fact that she's top tier right now xd

W hits for close to 5-600 or higher if you go hard on the HP, passive % damage is quite high as well. defensive steroid passive gives you huge # on resists which means the doubled HP from stoneplate benefits you more than pretty much anyone else except cho who gets HP scaling true damage and infinite health gains

archerno1Jul 21, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AVUN0XTF,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-21T20:49:33.995+0000)

the fact that she's top tier right now xd

W hits for close to 5-600 or higher if you go hard on the HP, passive % damage is quite high as well. defensive steroid passive gives you huge # on resists which means the doubled HP from stoneplate benefits you more than pretty much anyone else except cho who gets HP scaling true damage and infinite health gains

She was before nerfs. She isnt anymore. Her playrate went from top 15 to 75 and dropping. Top tier junglers atm are Zac, Kha and Cho

Big LincolnJul 21, 20172 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/0fbaf3456f63c0b436ac37f501b88a31.png

pick rate definitely dropping

chipndip1Jul 21, 20171 votes

In what realm is Sej top tier? I don't think she's in LCS play and she's not top tier in solo queue. I only see her when I myself play her, period.

Edit: Checked LeagueofGraphs. Yeah, if they nerf Mao, they'll nerf Sej like RIGHT after.

Big LincolnJul 21, 20171 votes

she's top tier tho

chipndip1Jul 21, 20171 votes

You see my edit, man? Not sure why she's flying so low under the radar for people...

Big LincolnJul 21, 20171 votes

because she's a tank

HalcyonDwellerJul 21, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AVUN0XTF,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-21T20:39:25.085+0000)

mb forgot that boards will only recognize a champ as Op if you list out every aspect of their kit and exaggerate it lul

Not at all. We just expect people to bring reasoning and analysis if they want us to believe them about something. You don't have to be an ass about it :P We're being perfectly reasonable to ask for evidence / reasons.

passive synergy is 2 strong with stoneplate and locket, unfair durability in fights when she has items. damage is way too high for being a champ with 4 crowd control spells and the best lock down in the game

Thank you, now was that so hard to do? Now the discussion could progress and people can freely debate over those points.

Ben SharpioJul 21, 20171 votes

Ok but maokai is legitimately in a grotesque state of balance right now tho riot doesnt care

Big LincolnJul 21, 20171 votes

one of them being super op doesn't mean the other is fine

good idea to knock them both down at once tbh

PennsJul 21, 20171 votes

feelsbadman idk when youre serious or not anymore xd

Big LincolnJul 21, 20171 votes

there's no joke here just facts

sejuani is OP and needs nerf

archerno1Jul 21, 20171 votes

Why should Sejuani be nerfed? She is fine

Big LincolnJul 21, 20172 votes

sejuani is heinously overpowered

archerno1Jul 21, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AVUN0XTF,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-07-21T20:16:05.017+0000)

sejuani is heinously overpowered

Ok, can u provide facts, numbers? You cant just say "Sejuani is op, needs nerf" and expect it to be accepted as fact. Can u back it up with anything?

Big LincolnJul 21, 20172 votes

can you?

win rate has been sitting 52-54 for ages now with a play rate that's rising because other champs are being nerfed but not her.

buffs to all her items when she was already strong have made her a top 10 jungler.

archerno1Jul 21, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AVUN0XTF,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-21T20:23:42.212+0000)

can you?

win rate has been sitting 52-54 for ages now with a play rate that's rising because other champs are being nerfed but not her.

buffs to all her items when she was already strong have made her a top 10 jungler.

I dont need to provide them, im not asking for buffs or nerfs. You are. Her winrate is nothing special. And she is on 75th spot by popularity.

She is not overpowered. See, its not that hard indeed

Big LincolnJul 21, 20172 votes

so you don't have an argument as to why she's not overpowered

should have said that at the start

archerno1Jul 21, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AVUN0XTF,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-21T20:30:06.725+0000)

so you don't have an argument as to why she's not overpowered

should have said that at the start

You dont have argument why she is overpowered.

Big LincolnJul 21, 20172 votes

"statistically doing very well and not getting worse even though more people are picking her up" doesn't mean OP hmmm

exact criteria that was used to hotfix singed lol

archerno1Jul 21, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AVUN0XTF,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-21T20:36:06.283+0000)

"statistically doing very well and not getting worse even though more people are picking her up" doesn't mean OP hmmm

exact criteria that was used to hotfix singed lol

Well there are 15+ other champions with higher or same winrate and higher playrate. Do they all need nerfs too? Yes same criteria was used for Singed, but same was used for Sejuani, she was already nerfed enough.

HalcyonDwellerJul 21, 20171 votes

So we're comparing more apples and oranges?

Singed was overbuffed, that's why he got hotfixed. That is not the same as Sejuani.

chipndip1Jul 21, 20171 votes

This is the EXACT shit I dealt with in my Janna thread. These boards see numbers only when it benefits them. I'd tell you not to waste your time, but I'm guilty of it so it's your call.

Big LincolnJul 21, 20171 votes

it's like talkin' to a wall with these people

HalcyonDwellerJul 21, 20171 votes

This is shifting the burden of proof again. If you wish to accomplish anything by discussing things in the boards you would do well to avoid doing this. It doesn't convince others that you are correct, only that you are being irrational.

HalcyonDwellerJul 21, 20172 votes

can you?

No offense but this is shifting the burden of proof. You can't make a claim, then say, "I'm right unless you can prove me wrong!"

It's your responsibilty to prove the point, not the opposition to disprove it.

Big LincolnJul 21, 20173 votes

wrote it literally directly beneath that

archerno1Jul 21, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AVUN0XTF,comment-id=000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-07-21T20:34:46.221+0000)

wrote it literally directly beneath that

xd

You only mentioned her winrate and imaginary statistic that her playrate is rising when in fact it dropped. As for winrate Janna, Rammus, Anivia, Quinn, Warwick, MF, Zilean, Taric, Kayle, J4, Ziggs, Velkoz, Talon, Annie, Ahri, Amumu, Morgana, Draven, Fiddle and some more champions have either more or similar winrate. Do they all need nerfs?

KaRniVooL13Jul 21, 20171 votes

ALRIGHTY THERE TINY ABE ...

WHERE IS THE SOURCE OF YOUR CLAIM?

POST IT ?

Big LincolnJul 21, 20172 votes

go to dev corner meddler thoughts for July 21

either Maokai direct nerfs or cinder nerf. sejuani needs both tho

KaRniVooL13Jul 21, 20172 votes

in fine with CINDER NERFS cuz it will effect all tanks including the pig rider.

but them talking about nerfing maokais Q on either damage or cd is flat fukin stupid

Bramble Smash TARGET RANGE: 600 EFFECT RADIUS: 300 COST: 50 MANA COOLDOWN: 8 / 7.25 / 6.5 / 5.75 / 5 MAGIC DAMAGE: 70 / 115 / 160 / 205 / 250 (+ 40% AP)

he already has a shit early game in terms of csing... he dont really build much ap... even if you go item 3027 item 3151 which at full stacked roa gives you 180 ap and lets say you maxed Q 250+180X.4= 250+72=322 magic damage ... before any MR/MAGIC PEN is considered and even if he has full 40% cdr at max rank it has a 3 second cd ... if anything .... they need to have scaling mana cost ... on the ability

just my opinion

KaRniVooL13Jul 21, 20171 votes

i posted on the dev corner thoughts post as well...

explaining my thoughts... and the fact if they look at the cinderhulk ... as they claim to be doing that it would effect all of those tank junglers who are strong Amumu Chogath Maokai Nunu Rammus Sejuani and how nerfing maokai would be stupid