The Boards don't care about win rates

IP Masquerena··4 votes·1,289 views

Unless it fits their needs.

And before everyone jumps on me telling me the Boards are not a hive mind, yes, I know that, they are a multitude of smaller hive minds, we have the Zed mains front and center calling their S+ champ weak, the ADC mains in the left corner plotting how to kill the Mage mains, the Yasuo mains are the free food banquet...

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Sorry, the Yasuo mains are at the free food banquet, anyaaway, let's move on.

Why do I say that they don't care about win rates?

Simple, let's use the best 3 examples, Riven, Kittyrina and Zed-y-poo.

We had 2 threads just today crying Kat and Riven are OP and that their win rates show it, all good and dandy, I do agree both are on the stronger side, but when someone complains about Zed, they get called "trash players", told that "Zed is weak" and all the yada yada, but, there's a problem in their math.

Here are Riven's, Zed's and Kat's win rates, pick rates and ban rates in Iron, Silver, Diamond and Challenger, (that order for the rates), I'll bold the highest of each win/pick/ban rates.

Iron:

  • Riven - 45.69%, 5.3%, 2%
  • Kat - 46.24%, 8%, 6.1%
  • Zed - 50.98%, 15%, 42.8%

Silver:

  • Riven - 47.99%, 6.8%, 2.9%
  • Kat - 49.98%. 9.6%, 7.7%
  • Zed - 50.15%, 14.5%, 51.4%

Diamond:

  • Riven - 52.41%, 11.7%, 12.9%
  • Kat - 52.85%, 8.6%, 7.8%
  • Zed - 51.71%, 11.7%, 43.8%

Challenger:

  • Riven - 54.95%, 10.3%, 19.4%
  • Kat - 52.92%, 4.7%, 6.5%
  • Zed - 58.5%, 10.9%, 13.4%

What are all those stats supposed to show?

That the boards chose who they call "OP" or "weak" based on preferences, not actual informations. Zed heavily outclasses both in almost every rank (I'm going to eat, so if you want the whole stat board for the 3 champs, I could add it later if enough people want, but right now, short on time), he has higher win rate, pick rate and even ban rate in almost everywhere, yet, Zed's called "weak" and the other 2 who are weaker than him are called OP. Katarina was just called "overpowered, not just a low elo stomper" in her own thread today, but, she's not a low elo stomper, Zed is, and compared to him, she's balanced.

So how to properly make a thread when in the end, no matter the reasoning, the proof, the whatever you bring, is dismissed simply based on "personal believes".

Zed is called weak, and since he is stronger than both Kat and Riven, they are weak, that's what I get from the boards. Or, Zed may be actually be OP himself, but hey, too many Zed mains to know for sure, I mean, just last week we had the Zed main claiming he's higher Ranked challenger than Dopa and that Zed is weak, and the buffs he needs are a 3s stun at level 2, 80% CD refunded if he puts his W next to you, and he also claimed that "not even those buffs would make Zed remotely playable, they would just put him in a less shitty place than he's now", so.....can't really much?

At least, just let's all come to a conclusion what stats show someone is strong, and which one's don't, because it's a clusterfuck of "those stats matter" vs "those stats don't matter, these ones matter" vs "both of you dumb, none of those stats matter, these ones matter" (read all 3 in drunken russian voices)

19 Comments

SuicidePlank3 votes

Zed is stupidly easy and doesn't actually require much of thinking today. Always said that, always believed that.

Or is Duskblade R Duskblade again E on squishies hard?

IP Masquerena1 votes

Trust, I do agree that Zed is easy to play atm, but a lot still go on with calling him "weak" or "hard to play", so.....he fits the bill.

Plus, most tier lists have all 3 at the same difficulty, so.....again, fits the bill for comparison.

Pxerkza3 votes

people don't have their opinions bro

llstylish says zed is weak thus zed is weak

SuicidePlank1 votes

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people don't have their opinions bro

llstylish says zed is weak thus zed is weak

After he obliterated a squishy with his AAs since he missed his Qs and it took two seconds, not one. So weak!

Pxerkza1 votes

i mean if he can't 1v9 games then the champion is weak in his eyes

but lets be fair at least here

they took away the bonus ad from his ultimate for shadow hop range and atk speed growth xD

IP Masquerena2 votes

and Q doing more base damage (that got reverted), having 100% AD scaling, so basically, unless vs a fed Jhin, the bonus damage from R got placed in Q.

Pxerkza1 votes

not really killing every ad based champion gave zed a lot of ad jhin was just the oh god i got 100 ad for free from this dude which is like 3k gold bump in terms of stats

IP Masquerena1 votes

I ment that yes, everyone did give him AD, it wasn't "oh god, that 30 AD was what won me the game" type of thing, and normally he would only get around 30-40 AD, which is 1.4k, but since his Q is now 100% AD, it's more of a shift than net nerf that the people make it be, unless he kills the fed Jhin, in which case, yea, it is a net nerf, but let's be honest, it's his job to make sure he doesn't get fed in the first place, so it's kind of an.....you get my point.

Pxerkza1 votes

well that was the idea behind the shift because the bonus ad mechanic was a noob trap thats why his over all win rate went up because people felt free to ult who ever they wanted

IP Masquerena1 votes

Which shows he is indeed overtuned, as all it did is "ult who you feel" and boom, he's no negative at any rank.

Pxerkza1 votes

yup he is quite strong but as llstylish says he is weak so according to the community he is weak as well

IP Masquerena1 votes

Think for themselves? What heresy is that?

preternatural2 votes

zed sells too many skins and the boards really like his skins so he's never overpowered.

IP Masquerena1 votes

Basically, Zed mains found the secret sauce.

Let's all call our mains weak whenever someone complains about them, and they will dodge every nerf, get a compensation buff for anything and super cool skins.

preternatural1 votes

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Basically, Zed mains found the secret sauce.

Let's all call our mains weak whenever someone complains about them, and they will dodge every nerf, get a compensation buff for anything and super cool skins.

the riven's do this too.

IP Masquerena1 votes

Tho she doesn't get buffed for indirect nerfs, so Zed mains are still doing better.

MouseColoredCat1 votes

Zed cant carry a game. Assassins are literally the worst class in the game and get out scaled by every other champion. They're just worse mages.

SuicidePlank2 votes

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Zed cant carry a game. Assassins are literally the worst class in the game and get out scaled by every other champion. They're just worse mages.

Still doesn't mean he is weak.

IP Masquerena1 votes

Kat is an assassin, people cry she's too strong.

Akali is an assassin, the worst one, people still cry she's too strong.

Zed has almost 60% wr in Challenger, is an assassin, clearly not weak.

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